Tldr; I love my job, hate the Netherlands, want to move somewhere warmer but where and how?
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@MisterMaker yeah buying/owning/driving a campervan is ridiculously expensive in NL (just like everything else yay).
I was looking into buying abroad, but I think you can't bring it into the Netherlands then, which sounds challenging.
Edit: I'm so sick of this country 😂
@Gina @MisterMaker have you considered a cheap boat? Anchorages in the med are free. Boat life (to me at least) seems more fun and more freedom than van life.
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I'm also very unsure whether I'll like travelling by campervan. It seems equal parts fun and ghetto. 😂
Btw this would be across Europe. The question is where (but I'd def want to include France, Austria, Slovenia, Greece and Turkey).
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What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
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@AccordingtoWouter @Gina Krijg je daar ook een boete als je 1 keer vergeet op verzenden te drukken bij de belasting aangifte.
@MisterMaker @AccordingtoWouter ha ik heb begin dit jaar nog een boete gekregen omdat ik de btw aangifte een DAG te laat had ingeleverd. Het argument dat hun portaal er de dag ervoor uit lag en ik de aangifte niet KON doen deed er niet toe 🙃
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@MisterMaker @AccordingtoWouter ha ik heb begin dit jaar nog een boete gekregen omdat ik de btw aangifte een DAG te laat had ingeleverd. Het argument dat hun portaal er de dag ervoor uit lag en ik de aangifte niet KON doen deed er niet toe 🙃
@Gina @MisterMaker ja ook dat gebeurt in Spanje. En erger nog. Dingen als brieven die niet naar je adres zijn verstuurd en mensen dus niet wisten dat er problemen waren en dan geconfronteerd worden met belachelijk hoge boetes. Onduidelijkheden over waar je belasting moet betalen. Gewoon echt horror.
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I'm also very unsure whether I'll like travelling by campervan. It seems equal parts fun and ghetto. 😂
Btw this would be across Europe. The question is where (but I'd def want to include France, Austria, Slovenia, Greece and Turkey).
10/n
@Gina : 🤔 how do campervans and cats work together? Are they roam around freely while you drive? Do you need to get them into transport boxes? Do they have to sit on the co-drivers seat?
You probably don't want them to walk into your field of view or be thrown around if you have to break.
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What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
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It will be great fun.
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What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
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@Gina Try aiming for some suburbs, maybe? Some can feel quite rural and still close enough to large cities
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What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
11/n
@Gina What you can do too. You live a minimalist lifestyle, work less and travel more. You choose a different place each time and stay there for a longer period. But you keep your base in the Netherlands.
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I'm also very unsure whether I'll like travelling by campervan. It seems equal parts fun and ghetto. 😂
Btw this would be across Europe. The question is where (but I'd def want to include France, Austria, Slovenia, Greece and Turkey).
10/n
@Gina Probeer Tanger eens. Er liggen veel kansen, fijne mensen, warm (mij té) klimaat.
Overigens is je zoektocht niet nieuw 🤓
(het is inmiddels mijn lijflied 🙃)
https://youtu.be/tMJACYaq3Eo -
What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
11/n
@Gina
Countryside, with an expat vibe, and great coffee. Let me gently doubt the existence of such a place - though your definition of "countryside" may be a lot more urban than mine. -
@Gina : 🤔 how do campervans and cats work together? Are they roam around freely while you drive? Do you need to get them into transport boxes? Do they have to sit on the co-drivers seat?
You probably don't want them to walk into your field of view or be thrown around if you have to break.
@sheogorath no idea, but entire populations seem to be traveling with their pets, so we'll find out. Fortunately my cats sleep 23 hours a day.
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@Gina What you can do too. You live a minimalist lifestyle, work less and travel more. You choose a different place each time and stay there for a longer period. But you keep your base in the Netherlands.
@AccordingtoWouter yeah but I'd need someone to look after my cats. Also I hate the Netherlands, I don't want to be here a second longer. 😂
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@Gina Probeer Tanger eens. Er liggen veel kansen, fijne mensen, warm (mij té) klimaat.
Overigens is je zoektocht niet nieuw 🤓
(het is inmiddels mijn lijflied 🙃)
https://youtu.be/tMJACYaq3Eo@teacher_rick ben ik geweest, vond ik vreselijk. Super veel lastig gevallen, veel te masculiene cultuur, en veel armoede.
Gedeelde smart is halve smart 🫶
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@Gina
Countryside, with an expat vibe, and great coffee. Let me gently doubt the existence of such a place - though your definition of "countryside" may be a lot more urban than mine.@jannem idk there were plenty of places in Australia that fit the description, like Gerringong and Wollingong. For contrast, Sydney was waaay too busy for me.
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What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
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@Gina you mentioned Australia, but perhaps New Zealand?
The other day I checked the democracy index 2025, and it cross-ref'ed to another list measuring countries on a host of safety, freedom, human rights criteria. Perhaps there are more such lists with things you do not readily think of, e.g. on laws, regulations, pension, etc.
Here's that list in case it is useful: https://freedomforallamericans.org/safest-countries-in-the-world/
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@jannem idk there were plenty of places in Australia that fit the description, like Gerringong and Wollingong. For contrast, Sydney was waaay too busy for me.
@Gina
Yep, different idea of "countryside" 😁 -
What I could also do, instead of buying a van, is take short city trips by plane during long weekends all over Europe and try different places.
But that would limit me to big cities. While I think I might prefer smaller cities or even the countryside. But still with an expat vibe. And good coffee places. And quiet. But also lively. Sigh. 🤦🏼♀️
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@Gina I wonder about foreign languages and how that gets into the equation. I'm not sure if I had suggested this before but maybe worth looking into the English-speaking island of Malta? Fantastic weather and I think large expat community? Best of luck Gina!
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@Gina you mentioned Australia, but perhaps New Zealand?
The other day I checked the democracy index 2025, and it cross-ref'ed to another list measuring countries on a host of safety, freedom, human rights criteria. Perhaps there are more such lists with things you do not readily think of, e.g. on laws, regulations, pension, etc.
Here's that list in case it is useful: https://freedomforallamericans.org/safest-countries-in-the-world/
@smallcircles New Zealand would be an interesting option, esp the north island. Unfortunately it has the same housing problem as Australia. I'm not moving to the other side of the world just to be poor there.
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@Gina
Yep, different idea of "countryside" 😁@jannem I do wonder how it would be to live in places like Japan. You live in the countryside there, right?
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@Gina I wonder about foreign languages and how that gets into the equation. I'm not sure if I had suggested this before but maybe worth looking into the English-speaking island of Malta? Fantastic weather and I think large expat community? Best of luck Gina!
@_elena I'll happily learn a new language or alphabet for the right place.
Oh gosh I can't begin to explain how much I hate Malta. Went there on a friendship ending girls trip years ago 😂
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