Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
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@afewbugs looks at the local repair cafe and who runs the front desk and who runs the tea counter... Yep checks out
Also this recurring task/meeting/event functionality is *already* standard in Outlook/MS365 for some time.
Its been an open issue since *2017*, apparently 2 weeks ago there is some pull request to add the function still awaiting merging (I don't know how long this process takes before it ends up in the main software, but someone was testing it as recently as 2 days ago)
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@afewbugs i think to a certain extent it's just *easier* to make a task manager that only handles one-off tasks. a lot easier.
which is to say, there may (only may) be no misogeny here, just a complete lack of ability to actually *define* the problem before they try to solve it…
@fishidwardrobe @afewbugs
The misogyny is structural. It's systemic. And the people building the structure should look at what it does -
Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
@afewbugs i can't find anything on the web version right now but i heavily use recurring tasks to keep track of my weekly homework deadlines and use my nextcloud server and the tasks.org android app for that.
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@quixoticgeek I mean from my perspective they are 😂
@afewbugs Non-woman here. I also agree.
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Oh and before anyone says "Oh but women are good at recurring maintenance tasks because they're naturally good at multitasking": 1) saying this will earn you a block. 2) No, we're not, we had to learn to be. That's why I need a task manager to tell me to keep on top of things like that. If you're willing to put in your share of the work to maintain a healthy, functional environment both at home and at work you can learn too
@afewbugs Yes to all of this!
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Also this recurring task/meeting/event functionality is *already* standard in Outlook/MS365 for some time.
Its been an open issue since *2017*, apparently 2 weeks ago there is some pull request to add the function still awaiting merging (I don't know how long this process takes before it ends up in the main software, but someone was testing it as recently as 2 days ago)
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@afewbugs i can't find anything on the web version right now but i heavily use recurring tasks to keep track of my weekly homework deadlines and use my nextcloud server and the tasks.org android app for that.
@florian @afewbugs I do this as well for my household tasks, literally bins, sheets, MOT, dishwasher deep clean. It's all repeating tasks.
I use nextcloud only for the sync and do all my adding and ticking off via tasks.org. tasks.org allows repeating tasks and you can even choose from which date to repeat, I love that feature.
Nextcloud has actually a second bug, where if you tick off recurring tasks in the online interface, it ticks them of forever. -
Guess which one usually gets handed to which gender. Men tend to get the one off high profile, highly regarded tasks (build the shed or the kitchen or the database), women tend to get the recurring tasks (clean the house, make sure the invoices are paid on time) that don't get the respect the one off tasks get but without which the big one off projects couldn't happen.
@afewbugs your thread is reminding me strongly of “what’s on her mind” by Allison Daminger. Great book -
@afewbugs Great thread. I think sometimes about how many thousands of lives are saved every day by the cleaning staff at hospitals, but they never get recognition for it, since Preventing a Terrible Thing isn’t nearly as exciting as Fixing Terrible Thing (that maybe could have been prevented)
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So we've strayed a very long way from Nextcloud's task manager, but the older I get the more I see "Who does the dishes after the revolution?" as one of the first questions that should be asked in any progressive space. I've seen at permaculture camps where the men wander off to form a drumming circle while the women set up the cooking rotas and compost station. I've seen it at the meetings where the men stand up and give inspiring speeches while the women organise drinks and take the minutes
In my local anarchist group, the men and the youngest women, fight ice. The women old enough to have kids organize the emotional support group, the conflict resolution group...
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@afewbugs There's one thing that I can somewhat, only a bit, accept as an excuse for talking about NextCloud in particular: It operates on CalDAV Standards and the Tasks part of that ... sucks badly. Like, terrible. I've not been happy with any of CalDAV synced Tasks because not only is support shoddy, but for exactly the reason you give.
However, NextCloud could – as any one of the stakeholders – try to push for something different or find ways to enable this use case better.
Case in point: What do people use for such tasks? Alarms are... hard to manage. Calendar entries are overwhelming. I try paper but I forget too often.
@ljrk @afewbugs putting maintenance tasks in their own calendar, that can thus be hidden could be one way.
regarding task-management in nextcloud in general: i only ever used the "deck"-app as a kanban board. as "tasks", "cards", and "events" are all the same type of caldav-object, they can be dispayed in all 3 apps, but with the deck-app you could e.g. have a columns for daily, weekly, and monthly tasks, and pull a task down to the bottom, so the longest undone task is always at the top.
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@ljrk @afewbugs putting maintenance tasks in their own calendar, that can thus be hidden could be one way.
regarding task-management in nextcloud in general: i only ever used the "deck"-app as a kanban board. as "tasks", "cards", and "events" are all the same type of caldav-object, they can be dispayed in all 3 apps, but with the deck-app you could e.g. have a columns for daily, weekly, and monthly tasks, and pull a task down to the bottom, so the longest undone task is always at the top.
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Hell I even see it in queer spaces where the women, femmes and enbies are the ones organising booking the venue and bringing home made cake after checking everyone's dietary requirements in advance. The first step towards dividing the tasks that bring the glory and the tasks that just have to be done up fairly is just noticing how they're divided now
@afewbugs For the record I would be more than happy to see the matriarchy take over. *
*Hoping when that time comes this token of support excuses me from extra dishwashing duties.
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@afewbugs There's one thing that I can somewhat, only a bit, accept as an excuse for talking about NextCloud in particular: It operates on CalDAV Standards and the Tasks part of that ... sucks badly. Like, terrible. I've not been happy with any of CalDAV synced Tasks because not only is support shoddy, but for exactly the reason you give.
However, NextCloud could – as any one of the stakeholders – try to push for something different or find ways to enable this use case better.
Case in point: What do people use for such tasks? Alarms are... hard to manage. Calendar entries are overwhelming. I try paper but I forget too often.
@ljrk @afewbugs
Would you want to check it off? If you don't stop needing to do it when you do it, is it ever done?Are you hoping to set a time for the task?
(Right now I'm using a weekly markdown document with a list of daily chores at the top and i just copy done thing onto the section for today - not great)
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Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
@afewbugs kiiiiiinda. Whatever tasks app on your phone that interfaces with Nextcloud can do recurring ones, I've got some set up for trash and plumbing-related shite using tasks.org on my phone, but bizarrely enough the actual "official" nextcloud thing can read and make sense of recurring tasks but lacks the ability to make them.
It lacks a lotta things honestly! Like, I've got a couple hundred duplicated contacts and a whole thread about the drama surrounding why, and I guess we're getting AI splodge instead
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@afewbugs kiiiiiinda. Whatever tasks app on your phone that interfaces with Nextcloud can do recurring ones, I've got some set up for trash and plumbing-related shite using tasks.org on my phone, but bizarrely enough the actual "official" nextcloud thing can read and make sense of recurring tasks but lacks the ability to make them.
It lacks a lotta things honestly! Like, I've got a couple hundred duplicated contacts and a whole thread about the drama surrounding why, and I guess we're getting AI splodge instead
@afewbugs well now I read the rest of the thread and I thought I was alone in making "Nextcloud lacks a very fundamental feature in such a bizarre and counterintuitive way that I can do a whole thread about what this says about the project as a whole" threads but I guess welcome fellow traveller and my condolences on joining this unfortunate club
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@afewbugs well now I read the rest of the thread and I thought I was alone in making "Nextcloud lacks a very fundamental feature in such a bizarre and counterintuitive way that I can do a whole thread about what this says about the project as a whole" threads but I guess welcome fellow traveller and my condolences on joining this unfortunate club
@ifixcoinops well met, comrade
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@afewbugs There's one thing that I can somewhat, only a bit, accept as an excuse for talking about NextCloud in particular: It operates on CalDAV Standards and the Tasks part of that ... sucks badly. Like, terrible. I've not been happy with any of CalDAV synced Tasks because not only is support shoddy, but for exactly the reason you give.
However, NextCloud could – as any one of the stakeholders – try to push for something different or find ways to enable this use case better.
Case in point: What do people use for such tasks? Alarms are... hard to manage. Calendar entries are overwhelming. I try paper but I forget too often.
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@afewbugs @nextcloud do you know? ⬆️
@funz @afewbugs @nextcloud The feature request for repeating tasks can be found here:
https://github.com/nextcloud/tasks/issues/34You can upvote it and leave your feedback.
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If you build a task manager without the facility to do recurring tasks that tells me a) you're not the one doing the recurring maintenance tasks and b) you either don't recognise the importance of maintenance tasks or you haven't even noticed that they're being done around you to allow you to do the big one off production of a European open source task manager, say.
Come on, it's 2026. Do better men. And it is mostly men.
@afewbugs Funny enough, this is one of the main things I spent time thinking about while working on my task manager. Maybe because I live alone, so all the maintenance falls to me?
...but then I never finished build the task manager, for reasons that become apparent when you consider why I might've been building a task manager
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Mostly but not entirely.
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Also since cryogenic freezing a brain destroys the structure of an already dead brain (basically deteriotated), the folk paying for that are being scammed.I agree it's nice info for SF world building.
Presumably they'd have to replace the blood of a living mouse with a special fluid to preserve the structure?
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@keila maybe I could help? https://www.behance.net/gallery/80041417/Vector-illustrations can send more works if you'd like
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@cstross "the wiring is the computer" is not too surprising. Years ago playing w/ algorithms for FPGA, needed to invent a bit-string perfect hash table. One way of doing a perfect hash function/table involves a matrix and offset, H = Mx + v, but our math needed to be boolean (AND, XOR), a "1" coefficient was a wire, and if we wanted a one-cycle hash index, then we needed no more 1's in a row than maximum inputs to an FPGA XOR. So, a sparse boolean matrix. The wiring was the computation..
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@cstross Does that make your work Science Fact-ion instead of Science Fiction?
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The meeting with the insurance man went as I expected: kind, helpful, "we'll let you know".
We'll see.
In the meantime, I enjoyed a morning walk in a mild Ferrara, waiting for spring.
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I absolutely agree.
At best, what current LLMs are is evidence that linguistic processing follows statistically modelable rules.
