For all the Proton fans

[skinnylatte@hachyderm.io]

For all the Proton fans

[jalefkowit@vmst.io]

@skinnylatte Privacy-focused [ enormous asterisk ]

[bmebenji@mstdn.social]

@skinnylatte
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[taniagermany@nrw.social]

@skinnylatte @protonprivacy can you please explain?

[boojum@hachyderm.io]

@skinnylatte i've had Proton for over a year now and like them. Anyone who is disappointed about this shouldn't be surprised. They have to obey Swiss law after all.

If you want a privacy-focused email provider, there aren't a lot of choices and Proton is still one of the best.

[serebit@floss.social]

@skinnylatte I jumped off of them for unrelated reasons. This just reinforces my decision.

[freediverx@mastodon.social]

@skinnylatte

https://archive.is/Zvw3O

[freediverx@mastodon.social]

@boojum @skinnylatte
What's the point of paying for a privacy-focused email provider that doesn't provide privacy?

[lucas@social.lol]

@skinnylatte I just switched to Proton from Google Workspace, and this doesn't deter me in the least, because privacy != anonymity 🤷

[k3ym0@infosec.exchange]

@boojum @skinnylatte 10000% this.

[r3dr3clus3@infosec.exchange]

@lucas @skinnylatte YES!

[k3ym0@infosec.exchange]

@serebit @skinnylatte unless you’re planning on self hosting there is literally no other email service you could jump to that hasn’t done the same thing.

[wonkothesane@mstdn.social]

@freediverx @boojum @skinnylatte the issue here seems more to do with the credit card from what I’m reading

[64bithero@mstdn.games]

@skinnylatte when officials come after you and your a business your going to comply. From what I heard it wasn’t email data or their inbox it was credit card information.

Most people are with services like proton to ensure their data isn’t for sale to just anyone.

But hey if you love Google knowing everything about you or Ads Galore on Yahoo , you do you !

[wonkothesane@mstdn.social]

@skinnylatte @babe Let’s all go back to Google!

[csolisr@hub.azkware.net]

That reminds me, how's Tuta doing?

[serebit@floss.social]

@k3ym0 @skinnylatte I mean yeah, but I'll put it this way: Proton sells its service on how unbelievably private it is and how they'd never give away your identity. When they turn around and do it, it stings far more than another company who never made those promises doing the same. Kinda like Target and DEI: it was a complete 180 from the way they'd sold their brand.

[mangotable@famichiki.jp]

@skinnylatte I got that the implication in the article quote from Proton is if the user had used crypto and not CC then maybe no issue.

[r3dr3clus3@infosec.exchange]

@skinnylatte This headline is incredibly biased. Did Proton help the FBI? Or did they hand over data to the Swiss government that the Swiss government ordered them to, and then the Swiss helped the FBI unmask an anonymous protester?

I keep seeing this post pop up in my feed with permutations of "WHY PROTON DO THIS!?" -- Because they were legally ordered to.

We're doing a disservice to ourselves for not recognizing the bounds of the privacy that Proton, or Tuta, or any other "private" email service provides, and looking at this moment as a failure by the provider - when really it's the failure of a user to recognize the technical & legal bounds of of their comms services to keep them anonymous.

The lesson here, i think, is about opsec, and knowing the bounds of the tools we're employing for whatever our goals are.

[randamumaki@mstdn.social]

@skinnylatte FFS remember to link to your sources.
This would be the 404 Media article in question: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/