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#kde is doing this real cool thing where if I hover the mouse over scribus or krita, the cursor shrinks.

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  • The Seven Voyages Of Steveundefined The Seven Voyages Of Steve

    @toerror @aeva This is the thing, for certain subsets of workstation tasks Linux is just fine, better even, if you don't need resolution scaling like us old folks with failing eyesight. But as soon as you go outside that it's a mess of little problems

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    @sinbad @aeva Yeah - I'd say use it if you use linux in production because then it forces you to become fluent with it. Otherwise it's a bit of a weird puzzle box that forms more an obstruction than a help ( unless ofc you have become an expert in it and subsequently adverse to other platforms )

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      @dotstdy it is one part solution and two parts vindictive nonsense

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      @aeva I'm all for the vindictive side winning out. Honestly I'd kill for an API designed by somebody who's written/maintained a cross platform application before. Bonus points if they've done so for a platform which gives a shit about API design.

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        @sinbad @aeva Yeah - I'd say use it if you use linux in production because then it forces you to become fluent with it. Otherwise it's a bit of a weird puzzle box that forms more an obstruction than a help ( unless ofc you have become an expert in it and subsequently adverse to other platforms )

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        @toerror @aeva TBH it was lovely when I ran a Mac for a while in the early 2010s, having an environment that was basically just like our servers (close enough) with a UI and windowing API that someone who knew what they were doing had designed. But then Apple disappeared fully up their own rear ends again and ruined it

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        • The Seven Voyages Of Steveundefined The Seven Voyages Of Steve

          @toerror @aeva TBH it was lovely when I ran a Mac for a while in the early 2010s, having an environment that was basically just like our servers (close enough) with a UI and windowing API that someone who knew what they were doing had designed. But then Apple disappeared fully up their own rear ends again and ruined it

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          @sinbad @toerror i wish it was possible to have a good computer anymore ;_;

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          • aevaundefined aeva

            if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead

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            ok I installed a half dozen desktop environments and mate is the only one that didn't make me feel like something was horribly wrong upon opening it (incidentally, I don't think it supports wayland, but it was smart enough to set the dpi scale to 200% instead of 100% so I could actually read anything right away) so I guess I'm gonna just run that for a while and see how it feels.

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              ok I installed a half dozen desktop environments and mate is the only one that didn't make me feel like something was horribly wrong upon opening it (incidentally, I don't think it supports wayland, but it was smart enough to set the dpi scale to 200% instead of 100% so I could actually read anything right away) so I guess I'm gonna just run that for a while and see how it feels.

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              true wayland has never been implemented

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                true wayland has never been implemented

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                ironically all of this is framework's fault, because if they either put a slightly better or slightly worse screen into this laptop such that it wouldn't have needed fractional dpi scaling, then i probably would only be hating wayland only about half as much

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                  everyone who told me to switch to KDE because wayland is good actually you just have to use the good wayland which is KDE and not gnome? i feel betrayed, and also i now have significant doubts about your attention to detail and general observational skills

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                  @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place I am going to personally apologize because I said that

                  I was foolish to not consider tablet and cursor problems. I’m sorry
                  😭

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                    everyone who told me to switch to KDE because wayland is good actually you just have to use the good wayland which is KDE and not gnome? i feel betrayed, and also i now have significant doubts about your attention to detail and general observational skills

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                    @aeva i want to be clear when i said "kde is the good one" i had not used kde and was indicating only that i knew kde to have features not present on my own computer

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                    • Asta [AMP]undefined Asta [AMP]

                      @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place I am going to personally apologize because I said that

                      I was foolish to not consider tablet and cursor problems. I’m sorry
                      😭

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                      @aud it's alright but i appreciate it never the less

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                        ironically all of this is framework's fault, because if they either put a slightly better or slightly worse screen into this laptop such that it wouldn't have needed fractional dpi scaling, then i probably would only be hating wayland only about half as much

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                        @aeva it's weird because when lenovo does this it can at least be justified with "well Windows works with 1.5DPI really well" but framework is supposed to be the linux company?!

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                          if i had enough money that i didn't have to work a real job i absolutely am in the vulnerable state of mind that would think doing a hard break away from both x11 and wayland is somehow a good idea, but since i have a mortgage and a painful connective tissue disorder i am somewhat forced to value my own time, so i think i'm going to just paint tonight instead

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                          @aeva I'm currently hacking on MGR from 1984-1994 and I feel like it might be a viable alternative... /hj

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                            @aeva i want to be clear when i said "kde is the good one" i had not used kde and was indicating only that i knew kde to have features not present on my own computer

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                            @mcc it was a whole bunch of people recommending it, I don't really remember who tbh. i know at least some never encountered the problem because its highdpi specific, and it's probably really nice if you don't need that but i need it

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                              @aeva I'm currently hacking on MGR from 1984-1994 and I feel like it might be a viable alternative... /hj

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                              @nina_kali_nina can i run vulkan on it

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                                @aeva it's weird because when lenovo does this it can at least be justified with "well Windows works with 1.5DPI really well" but framework is supposed to be the linux company?!

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                                @mcc I don't believe this laptop was designed for linux at all, I think the reputation just worked out that way because they were cooperative with linux distros after the fact

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                                  ok I installed a half dozen desktop environments and mate is the only one that didn't make me feel like something was horribly wrong upon opening it (incidentally, I don't think it supports wayland, but it was smart enough to set the dpi scale to 200% instead of 100% so I could actually read anything right away) so I guess I'm gonna just run that for a while and see how it feels.

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                                  @aeva tried cinnamon yet? (linux mint)

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                                  • Evie πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈundefined Evie πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈ

                                    @aeva tried cinnamon yet? (linux mint)

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                                    @pupxel i tried it out briefly about an hour ago. it has the shrinking cursor problem, didn't bother sticking around after i confirmed that.

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                                      @pupxel i tried it out briefly about an hour ago. it has the shrinking cursor problem, didn't bother sticking around after i confirmed that.

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                                      @pupxel the version packaged in fedora is super buggy (the desktop background renders corrupted and sometimes just crashes) and there is no way to change the keyboard layout, BUT this is the first time full 10 finger multi touch has worked correctly in mollytime, so i may give it further consideration, assuming it working is not also some kind of ephemeral bug

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                                        @pupxel the version packaged in fedora is super buggy (the desktop background renders corrupted and sometimes just crashes) and there is no way to change the keyboard layout, BUT this is the first time full 10 finger multi touch has worked correctly in mollytime, so i may give it further consideration, assuming it working is not also some kind of ephemeral bug

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                                        @aeva the whole linux mint team is big on NIH, they created their own GUI lib and redid standard linux apps lol so if anyone hates stuff not working it's prob them

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                                          @aeva the whole linux mint team is big on NIH, they created their own GUI lib and redid standard linux apps lol so if anyone hates stuff not working it's prob them

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                                          @pupxel i might download a liveusb for it and see if everything Just Works later this weekend. I've got the "former project lead" of fedora in my mentions in another thread saying mcc and I wrong to complain about wayland, so between that and literally every desktop environment in fedora being broken in some way i'm feeling like maybe I need to put fedora on cooldown

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