#kde is doing this real cool thing where if I hover the mouse over scribus or krita, the cursor shrinks.
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@aeva it's weird because when lenovo does this it can at least be justified with "well Windows works with 1.5DPI really well" but framework is supposed to be the linux company?!
@mcc I don't believe this laptop was designed for linux at all, I think the reputation just worked out that way because they were cooperative with linux distros after the fact
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ok I installed a half dozen desktop environments and mate is the only one that didn't make me feel like something was horribly wrong upon opening it (incidentally, I don't think it supports wayland, but it was smart enough to set the dpi scale to 200% instead of 100% so I could actually read anything right away) so I guess I'm gonna just run that for a while and see how it feels.
@aeva tried cinnamon yet? (linux mint)
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@aeva tried cinnamon yet? (linux mint)
@pupxel i tried it out briefly about an hour ago. it has the shrinking cursor problem, didn't bother sticking around after i confirmed that.
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@pupxel i tried it out briefly about an hour ago. it has the shrinking cursor problem, didn't bother sticking around after i confirmed that.
@pupxel the version packaged in fedora is super buggy (the desktop background renders corrupted and sometimes just crashes) and there is no way to change the keyboard layout, BUT this is the first time full 10 finger multi touch has worked correctly in mollytime, so i may give it further consideration, assuming it working is not also some kind of ephemeral bug
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@pupxel the version packaged in fedora is super buggy (the desktop background renders corrupted and sometimes just crashes) and there is no way to change the keyboard layout, BUT this is the first time full 10 finger multi touch has worked correctly in mollytime, so i may give it further consideration, assuming it working is not also some kind of ephemeral bug
@aeva the whole linux mint team is big on NIH, they created their own GUI lib and redid standard linux apps lol so if anyone hates stuff not working it's prob them
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@aeva the whole linux mint team is big on NIH, they created their own GUI lib and redid standard linux apps lol so if anyone hates stuff not working it's prob them
@pupxel i might download a liveusb for it and see if everything Just Works later this weekend. I've got the "former project lead" of fedora in my mentions in another thread saying mcc and I wrong to complain about wayland, so between that and literally every desktop environment in fedora being broken in some way i'm feeling like maybe I need to put fedora on cooldown
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@pupxel i might download a liveusb for it and see if everything Just Works later this weekend. I've got the "former project lead" of fedora in my mentions in another thread saying mcc and I wrong to complain about wayland, so between that and literally every desktop environment in fedora being broken in some way i'm feeling like maybe I need to put fedora on cooldown
@pupxel ok actually it's pretty funny that he's corncobbing himself, because he's been following me for years and still follows me and like man he must be a masochist
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everyone who told me to switch to KDE because wayland is good actually you just have to use the good wayland which is KDE and not gnome? i feel betrayed, and also i now have significant doubts about your attention to detail and general observational skills
@aeva im sorry you have this much trouble with it :( wish i could help.
Maybe @redstrate has some info? He works on tablet stack with KDE.
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ironically all of this is framework's fault, because if they either put a slightly better or slightly worse screen into this laptop such that it wouldn't have needed fractional dpi scaling, then i probably would only be hating wayland only about half as much
@aeva I e never got the idea behind fractional DPI scaling.. like, why would anyone think “scaling this one pixel to 1.75 pixels surely will look great!”
(Staring at you Windows..)
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@aeva I e never got the idea behind fractional DPI scaling.. like, why would anyone think “scaling this one pixel to 1.75 pixels surely will look great!”
(Staring at you Windows..)
@heals well implemented fractional dpi is necessary for me to be able to use my laptop regardless of if you understand how to implement it correctly
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@heals well implemented fractional dpi is necessary for me to be able to use my laptop regardless of if you understand how to implement it correctly
@aeva I mean, I agree on principle but for me the fractional has to result in a non-fractions physical pixel number XD
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@aeva im sorry you have this much trouble with it :( wish i could help.
Maybe @redstrate has some info? He works on tablet stack with KDE.
@aks @redstrate it's alright, i appreciate the sentiment. as long as i have the resolution scale at 1:1, which is fine for the cintiq, the cursor bug doesn't happen, so it's avoidable, but from everything i can tell it's a known issue that's a consequence of wayland's design, and every wayland competitor has the same bug.
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@aks @redstrate it's alright, i appreciate the sentiment. as long as i have the resolution scale at 1:1, which is fine for the cintiq, the cursor bug doesn't happen, so it's avoidable, but from everything i can tell it's a known issue that's a consequence of wayland's design, and every wayland competitor has the same bug.
@aks @redstrate if it were just that i'd probably just try to suck it up or find a work around despite it being a trigger for me, but the hard-coded 3 and 4 finger gesture cancel thing that can't be prevented without forking kwin is the much greater problem (gnome also has its own version of this problem), because it means the virtual instrument application i'm writing will be unplayable on the vast majority of linux machines
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@aks @redstrate if it were just that i'd probably just try to suck it up or find a work around despite it being a trigger for me, but the hard-coded 3 and 4 finger gesture cancel thing that can't be prevented without forking kwin is the much greater problem (gnome also has its own version of this problem), because it means the virtual instrument application i'm writing will be unplayable on the vast majority of linux machines
@aks @redstrate it seems that fedora's extremely broken Cinnamon installation at least is able to handle multitouch in such a way that my application works, so assuming that's not a coincidence caused by something being broken, my plan right now is to evaluate if switching to Mint will at least allow me to finish developing my project and serve as something I can recommend to people who might be interested in using my instrument
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@aks @redstrate it seems that fedora's extremely broken Cinnamon installation at least is able to handle multitouch in such a way that my application works, so assuming that's not a coincidence caused by something being broken, my plan right now is to evaluate if switching to Mint will at least allow me to finish developing my project and serve as something I can recommend to people who might be interested in using my instrument
@aks @redstrate and hopefully from there that might make for a stronger case to challenge the extremely unimaginative assumption that applications must only ever be allocated two touch points, should i try to submit a patch to KDE or Gnome to try to fix this in the future
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@aks @redstrate and hopefully from there that might make for a stronger case to challenge the extremely unimaginative assumption that applications must only ever be allocated two touch points, should i try to submit a patch to KDE or Gnome to try to fix this in the future
@aks @redstrate but I need to put these things on cooldown right now and just focus on what works because it's driving me crazy that every wayland desktop environment in fedora is broken in some significant obvious way
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@aeva I mean, I agree on principle but for me the fractional has to result in a non-fractions physical pixel number XD
@heals that's not how fractional scaling works
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@aeva and that’s why it doesn’t work for me <.<
I’m used to even scales 1 to 1/2/3/4 pixels etc fractional never gave me sharp fonts and I need my text to not be blurry around the edges
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@aeva and that’s why it doesn’t work for me <.<
I’m used to even scales 1 to 1/2/3/4 pixels etc fractional never gave me sharp fonts and I need my text to not be blurry around the edges
@heals ah, so what you mean is, the fallback behavior for applications that don't support dpi scaling is ugly/frustrating/etc? that's fair
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@aks @redstrate but I need to put these things on cooldown right now and just focus on what works because it's driving me crazy that every wayland desktop environment in fedora is broken in some significant obvious way
@aeva right, take your time. I hope you find your home in linux world. Let me know if i can help more.
AFAIK that wayland bug you mention is a bug between different toolkits. But I may be wrong here.
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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it was one of those crosswalks where they embossed it with a fake brick texture, but the thing that really made the illusion work was the chewing gum splats repeating a little too perfect
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@aeva so it's not just me! aha
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had a weird moment of derealization earlier today when i briefly thought i had spotted a poorly disguised tiling texture while out for a walk
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@talksina capisco meglio ora, grazie per avermi spiegato.
A me fa piacere sapere di avere una voce chiara e comprensibile e magari anche un minimo coinvolgente, come spero anche il contenuto.
Dico questo anche perché ci ho investito tempo (soldi) per corsi, esercizi, studio. Ottima cosa non averlo buttato!
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BSD Bros vs SysV Sisters. Is this anything
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@inthehands @tchambers Fediverse is what I call "on life service", with the metaphor "internet vs. bicycle". Not related to environment, but to slower and more effective results. You need information about a person? On Internet they could tell what they want but if you ride your bike and move around the city, ring bells, knock at shops doors, asking about John Doe, folks who know him, will tell you who he really is. Fedi is the same: slower to be followed but follower are real. #fediverse
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@aks i'll file bugs for each tonight
