Is it OK to reverse engineer the recipes for restaurant dishes so you can make them at home?
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@liilliil are there things that are unrelated to copyright that are still not OK?
@evan can't even guess what, for example. Chef will be upset? ;)
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@evan Why would mixing a particular combination of food ingredients in a particular order ever be immoral just because someone else mixed the same combination in the same order previously? That would be some magical incantation!
@virtuous_sloth why indeed! Did you come up with any ideas?
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@swelljoe so, is it possible for something to be unrelated to copyright and still not OK?
@evan of course. But, copyright was a secondary piece of evidence for my assertion about recipes, not the primary one. Copyright cannot be claimed on a recipe because culturally, recipes were considered in the public domain long before copyright existed. Humanity throughout history thinks you should be allowed to make nice meals.
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@virtuous_sloth why indeed! Did you come up with any ideas?
@evan I have no need to; I answered yes.
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@virtuous_sloth why indeed! Did you come up with any ideas?
@evan
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@evan I have no need to; I answered yes.
@virtuous_sloth complex minds sometimes try to stretch their boundaries and see things from another point of view.
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@virtuous_sloth complex minds sometimes try to stretch their boundaries and see things from another point of view.
@evan Oh don't worry, I'm aware of the other point of view. I know it too well. I know it well enough to know of the absolute destruction it has done.
So if I choose not to entertain it by speaking it, it is not because of lack of curiosity.
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@evan Well... Why reverse engineer? Everytime I had asked I was given the recipe gladly. For dishes, cocktails, deserts... Social engineering, if you want to call it that way. :)
@jesterchen this is definitely an interesting line of reasoning! Question back: is there a significant difference between asking for the recipe, and reverse-engineering it?
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@evan can't even guess what, for example. Chef will be upset? ;)
@liilliil well, in other contexts, calling someone a racist slur is not OK, even if it's not prohibited by copyright law. So, "there's no copyright problem" does not automatically mean that the activity is OK. An extreme example but hopefully we've established that copyright is not the be-all and end-all of ethics.
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@jesterchen this is definitely an interesting line of reasoning! Question back: is there a significant difference between asking for the recipe, and reverse-engineering it?
@evan In my perception of words, yes.
Asking might give you the correct recipe in a very short time, and this is definitely somehow with communication.
Reversing it might take ages, can be done all alone (given an unlimited supply to compare to), and probably will yield several other revelations, perhaps even new recipes, and definitely a very deep connection to the subject.
It's a bit like using HI (human intelligence) vs. using your PI (personal intelligence). :)
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@evan what a question! Of course
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@evan 100% yes. I'm very confused why anyone would think otherwise.
Cuisine is part of a shared culture and identity. It's not something owned by anyone. The whole point of a restaurant is to share this culture. -
@evan 100% yes. I'm very confused why anyone would think otherwise.
Cuisine is part of a shared culture and identity. It's not something owned by anyone. The whole point of a restaurant is to share this culture.@DavidBHimself what if it's not your culture?
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@evan what a question! Of course
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@DavidBHimself what if it's not your culture?
If you plan to resell it as your own restaurant that argument may apply.
But from the question itself I wasn’t able to deduce that grandma had shotgun hands
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If you plan to resell it as your own restaurant that argument may apply.
But from the question itself I wasn’t able to deduce that grandma had shotgun hands
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Its culture apropiation in a bad way if there is intention to profit from said culture.
Its ok for you to make the spiciest curry for yourself and your family.
Its bad in the case of “now I am gona make the best mexican burritos restaurant”
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Its culture apropiation in a bad way if there is intention to profit from said culture.
Its ok for you to make the spiciest curry for yourself and your family.
Its bad in the case of “now I am gona make the best mexican burritos restaurant”
@gabboman @DavidBHimself what about the grandmother and the shotgun hands? Is that a reference I don't recognize?
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@gabboman @DavidBHimself what about the grandmother and the shotgun hands? Is that a reference I don't recognize?
Yeah its a reference to hypotheticals within hypoteticals.
“What if…” “yeah fair but what if also…”
#I-think-it-was-chainsaws #but-I-forgot-how-to-write-that-word -
Yeah its a reference to hypotheticals within hypoteticals.
“What if…” “yeah fair but what if also…”
#I-think-it-was-chainsaws #but-I-forgot-how-to-write-that-word@gabboman @DavidBHimself ah, that makes sense. I think the question encompasses both domestic and foreign restaurants, but I understand if you think that's a trick.
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@jesterchen So, here's a thought: is there a difference between reverse engineering without asking for the recipe, and reverse engineering after asking for the recipe and being told no?
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@gabboman @DavidBHimself ah, that makes sense. I think the question encompasses both domestic and foreign restaurants, but I understand if you think that's a trick.
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Yeah its a reference to hypotheticals within hypoteticals.
“What if…” “yeah fair but what if also…”
#I-think-it-was-chainsaws #but-I-forgot-how-to-write-that-word
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@gabboman @DavidBHimself what about the grandmother and the shotgun hands? Is that a reference I don't recognize?
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Its culture apropiation in a bad way if there is intention to profit from said culture.
Its ok for you to make the spiciest curry for yourself and your family.
Its bad in the case of “now I am gona make the best mexican burritos restaurant”
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@gabboman @DavidBHimself what?
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If you plan to resell it as your own restaurant that argument may apply.
But from the question itself I wasn’t able to deduce that grandma had shotgun hands
