Is it OK to reverse engineer the recipes for restaurant dishes so you can make them at home?
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Yeah its a reference to hypotheticals within hypoteticals.
“What if…” “yeah fair but what if also…”
#I-think-it-was-chainsaws #but-I-forgot-how-to-write-that-word@gabboman @DavidBHimself ah, that makes sense. I think the question encompasses both domestic and foreign restaurants, but I understand if you think that's a trick.
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@evan In my perception of words, yes.
Asking might give you the correct recipe in a very short time, and this is definitely somehow with communication.
Reversing it might take ages, can be done all alone (given an unlimited supply to compare to), and probably will yield several other revelations, perhaps even new recipes, and definitely a very deep connection to the subject.
It's a bit like using HI (human intelligence) vs. using your PI (personal intelligence). :)
@jesterchen So, here's a thought: is there a difference between reverse engineering without asking for the recipe, and reverse engineering after asking for the recipe and being told no?
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@DavidBHimself what if it's not your culture?
@evan It's someone else's culture that they shared with you to experience and of course you're allowed to try to recreate the experience at home.
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@gabboman @evan If you try to start a restaurant with food you don't "understand" I'm fine with it. Your restaurant probably won't last long.
And sorry, let's not bring the "cultural appropriation" thing with food. It's already a very dubious concept in the first place, but every single cuisine is the result of mixing of cultures and other cuisines ingredients.
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@evan It's someone else's culture that they shared with you to experience and of course you're allowed to try to recreate the experience at home.
@DavidBHimself is it possible that sharing to experience and sharing to replicate are two different kinds of sharing? And if so, that some cultures or individuals might offer one but not the other?
And could relative power dynamics come into play? If it's a relationship between French customers and refugee restauranteurs from a former colony, for example? Or between Israeli customers and Palestinian cooks?
What about consent? What if you asked for the recipe, and the restauranteur refused?
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@evan I voted "yes, but" on the grounds that reverse engineering how the dishes are so good may cause you to learn things you did not want to know about their preparation, like (allegedly) just how much butter goes into any number of them. Ignorance can be bliss, or lead to blissful continued consumption of restaurant dishes.
But maybe you wanted to know anyway. Reverse engineer away.
@cks this is a really good point!
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@virtuous_sloth @evan abd yet everyone accepts it as normal for other areas!! It never makes sense to me
@lizzard @virtuous_sloth do you have any family recipes?
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@gabboman @evan If you try to start a restaurant with food you don't "understand" I'm fine with it. Your restaurant probably won't last long.
And sorry, let's not bring the "cultural appropriation" thing with food. It's already a very dubious concept in the first place, but every single cuisine is the result of mixing of cultures and other cuisines ingredients.
@DavidBHimself @gabboman maybe it's a less dubious concept if you're not from an colonialist culture.
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@DavidBHimself is it possible that sharing to experience and sharing to replicate are two different kinds of sharing? And if so, that some cultures or individuals might offer one but not the other?
And could relative power dynamics come into play? If it's a relationship between French customers and refugee restauranteurs from a former colony, for example? Or between Israeli customers and Palestinian cooks?
What about consent? What if you asked for the recipe, and the restauranteur refused?
@evan Sorry, but North Americans, you really have a weird relationship with food.
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@evan Sorry, but North Americans, you really have a weird relationship with food.
@DavidBHimself we do! I know that as part of a refugee and diaspora community, food is an extremely important part of retaining culture.
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