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  • thisismissem hah yeah, I was doing dinnertime and didn't have the bandwidth to answer, one sec 🙂

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  • silverpill@mitra.social mm I may have been premature regarding phasing out Announce(Delete).

    nutomic@lemmy.ml made it clear that it wasn't going anywhere, and I will remove the "backwards compatibility" label from it in my draft.

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  • I'll need a bit more than upvotes here

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  • julian since you asked!

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  • Hi all,

    I've recently had some questions about what tool to use for note taking during taskforce meetings, personally I've been using hedgedoc from social.coop, but it's a private instance and you need an invited account. I've also used hackmd in the past. I've seen other taskforces use Google Docs, and I think one even used CryptPad.

    Officially the W3C way of scribing meetings is via an IRC bot: https://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/WebExBestPractices#Meeting_Record_(Minutes)

    However, this isn't necessarily the most approachable to many members of the Social Web CG.

    At the end of the day, the most important part is that taskforce leads capture meeting notes and preserve them, e.g., in the taskforce github repository on swicg or swicg/meetings. (I could also automate taskforce to swicg/meetings sync)

    I currently own the socialcg.org and swicg.org domains, and I'd be happy to spin up a hedgedoc server on a subdomain there that taskforce leads can use for creating and taking meeting notes. However, to do this I'd need to figure out some funding for it (not particularly a lot, but some amount of money — somewhere in the range of €60-180 a year, I'd guess).

    What tooling would you like to use for taking meeting notes? Would having a hedgedoc install for the CG be valuable?

    (I am also in the process of hosting the Activity Summary Bot on a VPS, which produces these emails to the mailing list weekly: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swicg/2025Oct/0028.html — it was running on github actions but kept failing there due to GitHub restrictions, so I've had a VPS on a server sponsored by one of the large fediverse hosts to replace GitHub Actions for more reliable delivery)

    Yours,
    Emelia

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  • @nutomic if you're implying that I should have spoken sooner, I'm pretty sure I did. I remember exchanging messages with both you and @dessalines when you started lemmy...

    I have no specific memory about this topic, but to my recollection lemmy federation was pushed as fait-accomplit at one point without me seeing any previous research on your guys part.

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  • @julian This sounds like an implementation detail to me. Some fedi platforms delete a child object when its parent is deleted, others don't.

    If you want to make the removal of a subtree explicit, I'd recommend a Remove where object is an array (similar to what @mariusor suggested):

    Remove(object: Note[], target: Context)

    This also helps with migrating away from Announce(Delete). I saw your FEP draft, will provide more feedback once I read it in full.

    @rimu @nutomic @melroy @BentiGorlich

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  • I fail to see what the fundamental difference is. If you are unsure about the target with Delete/Object, you can also resolve the context of Object to figure that out. Anyway the instance where the Group is hosted is always the authority, so the state there is the correct one.

    Actually I would rather think of this from a different perspective, namely from the perspective of the mod who clicks the remove button. That would happen when a post is offtopic or violates the rules, and then the intent clearly is to remove all replies as they are not useful. It wouldnt make sense to leave up a single reply two levels deep just because it wasnt included in the context for some reason.

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    Now witness the power of this fully operational Fediverse!https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/11/now-witness-the-power-of-this-fully-operational-fediverse/How can you measure the popularity of a social network site? Perhaps by counting the number of active accounts, or the quality of the discourse, or even how many people reply to your witty memes.Me? I prefer to look at how many people visit my blog from each site. It is an imperfect measure - and a vain one - but lets me know where I should be spending my time. No point posting on a network which is just bots talking to each other, right?Earlier this year I built a stats-counter for my blog. Every time someone clicks from a website which links to my blog, it records that visit in a database. I get to see which blog posts are doing numbers, and where those numbers came from.Until fairly recently, the Mastodon social network didn't send referer details. I thought that reduced the visibility of the network and lobbied for it to change. As various Mastodon servers upgrade, and admins opt-in, it is becoming more apparent just how much traffic originates from the Fediverse.Over the last few weeks, here's how many people have clicked from BlueSky and Mastodon to one of my blog posts.TotalSource1,607bsky.app752mastodon.socialAt first glance, it doesn't look good for our elephantine friends, does it? The butterfly sends over twice the traffic. Game over!But, of course, while Mastodon.social is the biggest instance - it is far from the only one. What happens if we slide down the long tail? Here's all the Mastodon-ish instances which sent me over 10 clicks.TotalSource193phanpy.social120 android-app://org.joinmastodon.android/106infosec.exchange62mas.to59mstdn.social55social.vivaldi.net49wandering.shop48fosstodon.org33mathstodon.xyz27mastodon.online26mastodon.scot24app.wafrn.net19indieweb.social18social.lol17tech.lgbt17toot.wales16en.osm.town16feditrends.com14mstdn.ca14piefed.social12wetdry.world11c.im11mastodon.nl51 Sites sending < 10 clicksAh! Add them all up and you get a grand total of 1,773 visitors from Mastodon-powered sites. That's more than BlueSky.Now, there are some obvious caveats to the data:I have a smaller follower count on BlueSky than I do on Mastodon.My posts may appeal more to one demographic than another.People may have strict privacy controls which suppress the true volume of visitors.There's no way to measure how long someone spends reading my posts.RSS and newsletter visitors aren't counted.Clicks from apps may not always show a referer.Some people may be on multiple services.Fediverse users can follow the post directly, so don't need to visit the site to read it.And yet… no matter how you slice it, Fediverse servers are sending as much traffic as BlueSky!I think this is brilliant. Web services should be able to scale from small to big - and each ActivityPub-powered site helps power the open Internet.Just for completeness, this is how Reddit, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and Lemmy do over the same period:TotalSource1,158reddit.com585 android-app://com.reddit.frontpage/76facebook.com76https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/56https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/52youtube.com41t.co38https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1nsw7f4/til_in_mongolia_instead_of_a_street_address_a/31linkedin.com27 android-app://io.syncapps.lemmy_sync/27https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1nsw7f4/til_in_mongolia_instead_of_a_street_address_a/22https://old.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1n96ftn/40_years_later_are_bentleys_programming_pearls/22lemmy.ca17 android-app://com.linkedin.android/16lemmy.dbzer0.com14feddit.org11https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1n96ftn/40_years_later_are_bentleys_programming_pearls/10discuss.tchncs.de10l.instagram.com8lemmy.blahaj.zone6https://www.reddit.com/r/GrapheneOS/comments/1m2l84b/considering_making_the_switch_does_google_pay/6reddthat.comIf you add up all the Lemmy instances, they send about as much traffic as Facebook and LinkedIn combined. That's not a huge surprise - those platforms hate anyone clicking away to the wider web.Twitter is basically the Dead Internet. I'm no longer on there, but I do occasionally search it to see who is sharing my posts. The popular posts I write get shared a lot - sometimes by accounts with huge followers - yet there are no comments or retweets and barely and clicks.I don't do Instagram or Threads, and that might be reflected in their low numbers. But I'm not active on YouTube either - yet people there occasionally link back to me.Final ThoughtsFirstly, my stats only represent my site. Your site might be very different.Secondly, I've ignored search engine traffic, big blogs, newsletters, and other sources.Thirdly, and most importantly, this isn't a competition! The desire for a "winner-takes-all" service is dangerous and disturbing. An ecosystem is at its most vibrant when there are multiple participants each thriving in their own niche.I want a thousand sites, running a hundred different software stacks, some of which only serve a dozen people, or even a lone participant.Diversity is strength.#activitypub #bluesky #fediverse #mastodon #statistics
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    @wjmaggos Yeah, but feel bad for the guy. What's happening is that there is an adversarial relationship developing and Bluesky holds all the cards. This is not going to end well for Blacksky.This has always been the problem with corporate sponsored standards. If the technology host company is not fully and completely committed to open competition with their standard clients it can never work.
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    Hey, yeah, please tell the Linux Nerds people to turn on federation! Tell them Julian from NodeBB will help them get started 🤓
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    silverpill@mitra.social the second code example in FEP 844e is wrong though, it uses [ and ] instead of { and } around the "object" in implements