Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
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@firefoxwebdevs what exactly do you refer to as „open data”?
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@wes @firefoxwebdevs @liquor_american so do I, but also it should be an extension
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.
They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.
Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
@firefoxwebdevs what about an "AI enable" switch that is off by default
that would be cool
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@mcc @firefoxwebdevs I would mostly agree with this if you added this at the end of your statement: …by an idiot programmer or one who didn’t grow up and learn to code properly during the decades before AI LLMs.
In reality, I don’t think either of us are going to get our way on this one.
@mdavis @firefoxwebdevs I don't like the word "idiot". But a programmer who would use LLM codegen is a programmer with bad judgement. A programmer who has bad judgement cannot spot the errors made by LLM codegen. QED.
Anyway I already got what I wanted: Servo, the web browser which will replace Firefox, has *already* banned "AI" code contributions. So it's only a matter of time before Servo is complete enough for day to day use, and I can delete the AI-infected Firefox from my computer.
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@firefoxwebdevs @zzt You ignored the firefox userbase's voice when it came to adding AI in the first place, don't pretend you're listening now when you're really just trying to get the users to come up with justifications for what you have already decided to do. Firefox users have repeatedly said we do not want AI features imstalled by default, you chose not to listen and now you're trying to find ways you can feel less bad about that by pretending you gave people options when it comes to AI usage, rather than taking one away.
If you cared about what 'the community' wants, you would have asked people when the AI notion was first pitched and taken no for an answer, but yet again, AI enthusiasts have acted without consent.
@Rycochet @firefoxwebdevs @zzt I did not follow all what happened around Firefox and the community. Did Mozilla made a public consultation regarding AI integration in Firefox ?
Do we have some reliable datas about the opinion of the Firefox's users ?I would be interested to know if the critical views (that I mostly share) expressed here are largely shared or not.
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@Rycochet @firefoxwebdevs @zzt I did not follow all what happened around Firefox and the community. Did Mozilla made a public consultation regarding AI integration in Firefox ?
Do we have some reliable datas about the opinion of the Firefox's users ?I would be interested to know if the critical views (that I mostly share) expressed here are largely shared or not.
@fmasy @Rycochet @firefoxwebdevs @zzt You can look at the discussions on Mozilla Connect if you want commentary from community members.
Mozilla does occasionally run surveys, but results are never public.
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@fmasy @Rycochet @firefoxwebdevs @zzt You can look at the discussions on Mozilla Connect if you want commentary from community members.
Mozilla does occasionally run surveys, but results are never public.
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@firefoxwebdevs @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @zzt a self-selecting survey with push-poll questions that deliberately leave out the "no LLMs in Firefox" option is unlikely to be statistically valid
(also we know this is just noise and Mozilla will do whatever was planned in the meeting anyway)
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@firefoxwebdevs @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @zzt a self-selecting survey with push-poll questions that deliberately leave out the "no LLMs in Firefox" option is unlikely to be statistically valid
(also we know this is just noise and Mozilla will do whatever was planned in the meeting anyway)
@davidgerard @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @zzt I realise your position is immutable, but I've already used the results of this survey to push for a change to the design of the kill switch. I'm grateful to everyone who responded.
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@davidgerard @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @zzt I realise your position is immutable, but I've already used the results of this survey to push for a change to the design of the kill switch. I'm grateful to everyone who responded.
@firefoxwebdevs @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet is the change to the design of the kill switch that it doesn’t exist because all of Firefox’s AI features will be moved into add-ons that aren’t installed by default?
if not, you’ve used the results of the poll to misrepresent community opinion and @davidgerard’s quote unquote “immutable position”, whatever that means to people who don’t speak passive aggressive post-it note, is absolutely correct
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@firefoxwebdevs @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet is the change to the design of the kill switch that it doesn’t exist because all of Firefox’s AI features will be moved into add-ons that aren’t installed by default?
if not, you’ve used the results of the poll to misrepresent community opinion and @davidgerard’s quote unquote “immutable position”, whatever that means to people who don’t speak passive aggressive post-it note, is absolutely correct
@zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard My interpretation of the poll results is that the vast majority of people feel that the translation engine should be disabled as part of an AI kill switch, but there should be a way to re-enable the translation engine whilst leaving the kill switch otherwise active.
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@zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard My interpretation of the poll results is that the vast majority of people feel that the translation engine should be disabled as part of an AI kill switch, but there should be a way to re-enable the translation engine whilst leaving the kill switch otherwise active.
@firefoxwebdevs @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard the poll was misleading and i am sure i am not the only one who voted to re-enable the translation because it wasn't fully clear what that meant. if i could revoke my vote i would.
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@firefoxwebdevs @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard the poll was misleading and i am sure i am not the only one who voted to re-enable the translation because it wasn't fully clear what that meant. if i could revoke my vote i would.
@angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard as in, you don't think there should be an option to re-enable it, or that it should be enabled by default?
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@angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard as in, you don't think there should be an option to re-enable it, or that it should be enabled by default?
@firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard
Missing option, if shouldn't be in the browser code in the first place. It should be an add-on that the user has to explicitly install.
A suspect lot of people voted for the, "but allow it to re-enabled," option due to it being the least shitty choice presented. Not because that is the behavior they actually desire.
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@firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard
Missing option, if shouldn't be in the browser code in the first place. It should be an add-on that the user has to explicitly install.
A suspect lot of people voted for the, "but allow it to re-enabled," option due to it being the least shitty choice presented. Not because that is the behavior they actually desire.
@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard THIS. Anyone who's ever written a poll or survey that's not *deliberately* a push poll knows that polls influence the beliefs of the people being polled, by choosing which options are presented vs hidden and by the exact wording of the question and options. It simply cannot be avoided, only minimized.
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@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard THIS. Anyone who's ever written a poll or survey that's not *deliberately* a push poll knows that polls influence the beliefs of the people being polled, by choosing which options are presented vs hidden and by the exact wording of the question and options. It simply cannot be avoided, only minimized.
@heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari I didn't see the point in including options that were never going to be actioned. If anything, that would be extremely misleading.
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@heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari I didn't see the point in including options that were never going to be actioned. If anything, that would be extremely misleading.
@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari then why not say up front that a popularly-requested option is not on the table? that would have made the poll more transparent.
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@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari then why not say up front that a popularly-requested option is not on the table? that would have made the poll more transparent.
@angelfeast @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari I guess I assumed that it was a given that the options were, well… the options. I see that isn't the case, and will try and cater for that in future. Cheers!
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@angelfeast @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari I guess I assumed that it was a given that the options were, well… the options. I see that isn't the case, and will try and cater for that in future. Cheers!
@firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @heptapodEnthusiast I mean, this is the same account that recently posted that they hope Firefox can regain the trust of its user base.
Nonsense like this isn't making that happen.
The choices as you present them are all, "AI code for everyone, but you can turn it off!" Except the kill switch feature doesn't even exist yet and you are already carving it up with exceptions. If your current trajectory holds true, and I'll bet good money it does, the kill switch is going to end up being nothing but exceptions, rendering it effectively useless.
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@firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @heptapodEnthusiast I mean, this is the same account that recently posted that they hope Firefox can regain the trust of its user base.
Nonsense like this isn't making that happen.
The choices as you present them are all, "AI code for everyone, but you can turn it off!" Except the kill switch feature doesn't even exist yet and you are already carving it up with exceptions. If your current trajectory holds true, and I'll bet good money it does, the kill switch is going to end up being nothing but exceptions, rendering it effectively useless.
@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @heptapodEnthusiast
We here at Firefox are eager to regain the trust of the user base. That's why we're sending our most annoying reply guy to play stupid word games on Mastodon.
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@thedarktangent The problem may be related to the #authorized_fetch parameter being enabled.
Here is the GitHub discussion:
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4451
Here is the parameter specification in the Mastodon documentation:
https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/config/#authorized_fetch
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Hmmm.... I'll just put him in Andorra, since that's right smack in the middle
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Se esistesse una comunità di #T1, ben vengano i confronti.
Foto puramente dimostrativa, clickbait e nu*ity.
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@thedarktangent This is interesting.
Every time a defcon.social user tries to interact with feddit.it, this error appears:2026-02-26T09:23:02.075679Z WARN lemmy_server::root_span_builder: CouldntFindObject: Failed to parse object https://defcon.social/@signorina37/116135473370481795 with content {"error":"Request not signed"}: data did not match any variant of untagged enum SearchableKinds
by @signorina37
or
2026-02-26T07:16:22.978630Z WARN lemmy_server::root_span_builder: Unknown: Failed to parse object https://defcon.social/users/grabbi_it/statuses/116133671937824462 with content {"error":"Request not signed"}: data did not match any variant of untagged enum PageOrNote
by @grabbi_it
We are currently receiving errors from the following instances, but they don't have much in common: they are running different versions or even forks.
https://bsd.network
https://cathode.church
https://defcon.social
https://kolektiva.social
https://mastodon.art
https://social.lol
https://universeodon.com
https://wehavecookies.social@informapirata@defcon.social @support @TCMBC @informapirata@mastodon.uno
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@eniko I voted for “other” because although I have never personally roasted a whole chicken, we do have “girarrosto” shops here that basically sell just that
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@NIGHTEN the right one (second)
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@GossiTheDog @switchingsoftware Ridiculous.
“Sandy, we have to let you go because you aren’t using Copilot enough.”
“But… I already use it for literally everything I do here.”
“Well, then I guess you should have made up stuff to get it to do for you. Security is waiting to take you to your desk. You have fifteen minutes to collect your things.”
“But—“
“If you’ll excuse me, Sandy, I need to ask Copilot to tell me how to word a call to my mother for her birthday before I fire the next person.”
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Have you looked at your sidekiq logs to see if there are any errors?
Thanks for the feedback; Lemmy doesn't have sidekiq, but I'll try to see what the logs say anyway.
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