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  • @hober @aeva if it's zero for long enough, the software is unmaintained. They are no longer a maintainer in any meaningful sense, even if they still have write access to the git repo.

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  • @evan @ted If you think someone is obligated to put work into something despite not being paid, that's called entitlement. If you want to ensure they keep working on something, you should make it worth their while. Otherwise you're just exploiting them and demanding free labor. It's the same thing as "working for exposure".

    What their goals are is entirely orthogonal to the question you asked. Your question was broadly applicable. Narrowing the scope is moving the goalposts.

    And I say this as someone who's put tens of thousands of hours into FOSS projects without the promise of compensation.

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  • @aeva yes, exactly. which is why "it depends, anything from zero to infinity" is the only reasonable answer to the pol, as far as I can tell. who am I to even guess?

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  • @ted I guess I wouldn't call sharing public self-instruction, proof of concepts, or art projects "maintaining" the project. I agree, maintaining software is hard work.

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  • @hober I think I would prefer to defer to the hypothetical maintainer as to whether or not they might have a really good reason to put aside volunteer work for a month

    [a sock puppet with a little shirt that says "hypothetical maintainer" on it rises up from the bottom of the screen] child care! personal emergency! health crisis! fascist goons kidnapping your neighbors!

    thank you hypothetical maintainer, that was very informative.

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  • @evan

    The amount of time and expertise an Open Source project needs is not coupled to the amount of time an unpaid, volunteer maintainer should dedicate to it.

    Conversely, an unpaid, volunteer maintainer has no obligation to dedicate any particular amount of time to an Open Source project.

    Perhaps it takes more time to maintain a project to my satisfaction than any maintainer is willing to dedicate to it. If so, I'll be disappointed. I'm used to it.

    @tony

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  • @benpate @tess it's probably fair to pick a minimum number, although @aeva rightly pointed out that your motivation is going to flag if you never make any progress whatsoever.

    So, regular review of security reports, bug triage, dependency and platform updates, that kind of thing are probably the minimum for "this software is not unmaintained".

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  • @evan
    and tbh: yes it drives me crazy, if I see that the main maintainer of a project I use is not releasing new software, even they promised it, and prefer working on their new project. It drives me nuts, but it's their right to do.

    Hopefully there will be a bigger team at one point, so the complete project is not relying on one person (who did a great job so far).

    @TerryHancock @preinheimer

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