my husband's new Windows 11 computer suddenly stopped outputting audio to the 3.5mm headphones.
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my husband's new Windows 11 computer suddenly stopped outputting audio to the 3.5mm headphones.
I clicked the audio troubleshooting button in Settings. It did not send me to the troubleshooter, but instead redirected me to install a help app. (yes, it wasn't even pre-installed.)
The help app told me to click the audio troubleshooter button.
Satya Nadella owes me three billion dollars in emotional damages.
(we've fixed the audio problem by unplugging the USB microphone and rebooting. before you @ me self-righteously about someone else's operating system which was chosen in accordance with THEIR needs and not mine and certainly not yours, consider whether I might react with the fury of ten thousand suns)
if they make you install a whole-ass other application to do troubleshooting, then it best be parsing logs for you to identify precisely where the issue is.
this is where I would go into a rant about having safe defaults and guiding user experience if I were more caffeinated.
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@0xabad1dea the Windows troubleshooting / documentation link stuff has gotten so dire in the last few years. so much stuff just opens up Edge (never the default browser) and sends you to Bing, often with the complete wrong query. totally miserable quality control.
also reading this and mentally betting on it having one of those horrible audio vendor stacks with the mandatory tray app, like Waves Audio or whatever. they *always* cause source switching problems, and uninstalling breaks all audio.
@0xabad1dea I found out about the uninstall-breaks-audio thing when one of the insipid vendor bloatware apps had the audacity to switch "Disable all enhancements" off in the registry every 10 seconds, so they could force their post-processing nonsense on (I can't remember the name exactly, something utterly nebulous and sweaty like "deep binaural enhancement"), which was making speech completely unintelligible through the speakers.
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@0xabad1dea I found out about the uninstall-breaks-audio thing when one of the insipid vendor bloatware apps had the audacity to switch "Disable all enhancements" off in the registry every 10 seconds, so they could force their post-processing nonsense on (I can't remember the name exactly, something utterly nebulous and sweaty like "deep binaural enhancement"), which was making speech completely unintelligible through the speakers.
@gsuberland @0xabad1dea giving the vendor a paper hat that says I AM NOT THE ONLY THING ON YOUR COMPUTER and making them sit in the corner
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my husband's new Windows 11 computer suddenly stopped outputting audio to the 3.5mm headphones.
I clicked the audio troubleshooting button in Settings. It did not send me to the troubleshooter, but instead redirected me to install a help app. (yes, it wasn't even pre-installed.)
The help app told me to click the audio troubleshooter button.
Satya Nadella owes me three billion dollars in emotional damages.
(we've fixed the audio problem by unplugging the USB microphone and rebooting. before you @ me self-righteously about someone else's operating system which was chosen in accordance with THEIR needs and not mine and certainly not yours, consider whether I might react with the fury of ten thousand suns)
@0xabad1dea
It took me a while on Linux to figure out that I could disable outputs in pulseaudio, and thus stop my USB microphone from insisting every time it was plugged in that it should be the audio *output* device used by the system. -
@0xabad1dea I found out about the uninstall-breaks-audio thing when one of the insipid vendor bloatware apps had the audacity to switch "Disable all enhancements" off in the registry every 10 seconds, so they could force their post-processing nonsense on (I can't remember the name exactly, something utterly nebulous and sweaty like "deep binaural enhancement"), which was making speech completely unintelligible through the speakers.
@0xabad1dea in the end I modified the DACL on the registry key so it couldn't touch it.
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my husband's new Windows 11 computer suddenly stopped outputting audio to the 3.5mm headphones.
I clicked the audio troubleshooting button in Settings. It did not send me to the troubleshooter, but instead redirected me to install a help app. (yes, it wasn't even pre-installed.)
The help app told me to click the audio troubleshooter button.
Satya Nadella owes me three billion dollars in emotional damages.
(we've fixed the audio problem by unplugging the USB microphone and rebooting. before you @ me self-righteously about someone else's operating system which was chosen in accordance with THEIR needs and not mine and certainly not yours, consider whether I might react with the fury of ten thousand suns)
@0xabad1dea Honestly, having been using Linux with a whole bunch of different audio devices plugged in at once lately, I think anyone who says Linux would have fixed this specific problem speaking out of their ass.
Last Wednesday for some reason every program on the computer except for discord's call would send its audio to my Bluetooth headphones. That includes all of the joining channel other noises. discord makes, just not the call audio
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@0xabad1dea Honestly, having been using Linux with a whole bunch of different audio devices plugged in at once lately, I think anyone who says Linux would have fixed this specific problem speaking out of their ass.
Last Wednesday for some reason every program on the computer except for discord's call would send its audio to my Bluetooth headphones. That includes all of the joining channel other noises. discord makes, just not the call audio
@0xabad1dea I'm pretty sure audio is just cursed no matter what operating system you're using
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@0xabad1dea in the end I modified the DACL on the registry key so it couldn't touch it.
@gsuberland @0xabad1dea I had that experience in Win10 entirely without third party nonsenseware, by owning two laptops, one with a US keyboard, one with GB keyboard and Microsoft decided to turn on "sync settings" on both, resulting in each laptop always switching to the wrong keyboard. Took me ages to turn that off as the setting also synched, then they changed how settings worked and it started doing it again…
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my husband's new Windows 11 computer suddenly stopped outputting audio to the 3.5mm headphones.
I clicked the audio troubleshooting button in Settings. It did not send me to the troubleshooter, but instead redirected me to install a help app. (yes, it wasn't even pre-installed.)
The help app told me to click the audio troubleshooter button.
Satya Nadella owes me three billion dollars in emotional damages.
(we've fixed the audio problem by unplugging the USB microphone and rebooting. before you @ me self-righteously about someone else's operating system which was chosen in accordance with THEIR needs and not mine and certainly not yours, consider whether I might react with the fury of ten thousand suns)
@0xabad1dea i‘ve been trying yesterday and today to record audio in different modes (mostly, exclusive mode, bypassing most processing) in win11 and my code manages to consistently panic the kernel by somehow messing up the kernels heap
I love working in audio it‘s such a special kind of cursed
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my husband's new Windows 11 computer suddenly stopped outputting audio to the 3.5mm headphones.
I clicked the audio troubleshooting button in Settings. It did not send me to the troubleshooter, but instead redirected me to install a help app. (yes, it wasn't even pre-installed.)
The help app told me to click the audio troubleshooter button.
Satya Nadella owes me three billion dollars in emotional damages.
(we've fixed the audio problem by unplugging the USB microphone and rebooting. before you @ me self-righteously about someone else's operating system which was chosen in accordance with THEIR needs and not mine and certainly not yours, consider whether I might react with the fury of ten thousand suns)
@0xabad1dea Audio in Windows is so incredibly confusing. I know the system quite well, but it doesn't "fit in my head", so every time something goes wrong I have to rediscover it all over again, get confused, and then after 20 minutes remember "oh right, there's a second control panel that looks almost like this one, but subtly different". Also they change it every six months anyway.
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my husband's new Windows 11 computer suddenly stopped outputting audio to the 3.5mm headphones.
I clicked the audio troubleshooting button in Settings. It did not send me to the troubleshooter, but instead redirected me to install a help app. (yes, it wasn't even pre-installed.)
The help app told me to click the audio troubleshooter button.
Satya Nadella owes me three billion dollars in emotional damages.
(we've fixed the audio problem by unplugging the USB microphone and rebooting. before you @ me self-righteously about someone else's operating system which was chosen in accordance with THEIR needs and not mine and certainly not yours, consider whether I might react with the fury of ten thousand suns)
@0xabad1dea I used to think it was really petty of that guy on The IT Crowd to answer the phone with "hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"
You've demonstrated that turning it off and on again still works. And that Windows seems to be actively discouraging people from learning that fact. I'm on his side now.
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@0xabad1dea I'm pretty sure audio is just cursed no matter what operating system you're using
@Canageek the audio is cursed on all operating systems yes, but I'm not mad about the audio.
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@Canageek the audio is cursed on all operating systems yes, but I'm not mad about the audio.
@0xabad1dea Yeah, that troubleshooting issue is excessively bad, I didn't think Microsoft could make their troubleshooting systems worse and yet every time I think that it gets worse
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@0xabad1dea I used to think it was really petty of that guy on The IT Crowd to answer the phone with "hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"
You've demonstrated that turning it off and on again still works. And that Windows seems to be actively discouraging people from learning that fact. I'm on his side now.
@WizardOfDocs no, no, this was the fourth or fifth reboot; turning it on and off again did not work. turning it on and off again **without the usb microphone that should be conceptually unrelated to the 3.5mm headphones** worked.
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@0xabad1dea Audio in Windows is so incredibly confusing. I know the system quite well, but it doesn't "fit in my head", so every time something goes wrong I have to rediscover it all over again, get confused, and then after 20 minutes remember "oh right, there's a second control panel that looks almost like this one, but subtly different". Also they change it every six months anyway.
@0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange @TomF@mastodon.gamedev.place are we 3 control panels deep now ?
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@gsuberland @0xabad1dea I had that experience in Win10 entirely without third party nonsenseware, by owning two laptops, one with a US keyboard, one with GB keyboard and Microsoft decided to turn on "sync settings" on both, resulting in each laptop always switching to the wrong keyboard. Took me ages to turn that off as the setting also synched, then they changed how settings worked and it started doing it again…
@synx508 @0xabad1dea oof. I've probably lucked out on that by refusing to set up a cloud account for login, but obviously that's not always feasible :/
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@0xabad1dea Audio in Windows is so incredibly confusing. I know the system quite well, but it doesn't "fit in my head", so every time something goes wrong I have to rediscover it all over again, get confused, and then after 20 minutes remember "oh right, there's a second control panel that looks almost like this one, but subtly different". Also they change it every six months anyway.
@0xabad1dea Anyway, the likely answer (sorry if you already tried this):
Windows button, type "sound", select "manage sound output devices". Go into the sound device you want from the list and click "Set as default sound device". If that option doesn't exist, it's because it's already set (so they hide it? What?), and the fix may be to set ANOTHER device as default, then go back and re-set the one you wanted as default.
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@WizardOfDocs no, no, this was the fourth or fifth reboot; turning it on and off again did not work. turning it on and off again **without the usb microphone that should be conceptually unrelated to the 3.5mm headphones** worked.
@0xabad1dea oh. Yikes.
This is still Microsoft's fault, right? -
@0xabad1dea oh. Yikes.
This is still Microsoft's fault, right?@WizardOfDocs the audio thing is not necessarily Microsoft's fault as opposed to shoddy drivers not provided by them etc etc. but replacing the audio troubleshoot button with an app that says to click the audio troubleshoot button definitely is their fault
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@0xabad1dea Audio in Windows is so incredibly confusing. I know the system quite well, but it doesn't "fit in my head", so every time something goes wrong I have to rediscover it all over again, get confused, and then after 20 minutes remember "oh right, there's a second control panel that looks almost like this one, but subtly different". Also they change it every six months anyway.
@TomF @0xabad1dea imo the audio architecture under the hood isn't terribly difficult to follow (unless you're doing stuff with KS, which does get pretty involved), but the entire user-facing frontend portion is an unfinished spaghetti mess that defies discoverability.
well, I guess that statement is applicable to the entire settings UX right now, but the audio one is particularly egregious. networking is a close second.
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