Blacksky has already built their own ATProto stack that's fully independent from Bluesky.
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@stefan I like that things are becoming more federated. What makes me a bit sad is that we still can't all be online using the same protocol. But then again, that's nothing new, people have always been spread across different platforms anyway, Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter... without being able to communicate with each other.
@rolle I guess if the fediverse keeps pushing people away, and ATProto gains wide enough adoption, and it becomes easy to run your whole stack, I might just look into that.
Until then, I'll have to stick with the fediverse, as that's the only truly grassroots option.
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@stefan What did I miss with the Bluesky stuff? I'm seeing a lot of people close their bridge from Masto->Bsky down. Is it because bsky.social hosts ICE and such?
@incentive Yeah, that happened after Bluesky verified ICE.
But that's a bit shortsighted, because you'd be closing off yourself from Blacksky, and soon other independent ATProto/Atmosphere communities.
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@incentive Yeah, that happened after Bluesky verified ICE.
But that's a bit shortsighted, because you'd be closing off yourself from Blacksky, and soon other independent ATProto/Atmosphere communities.
@stefan I think it's possibly shortsighted too but I'm not going to judge anyone for feeling convicted and choosing that as their form of action.
Grateful for your post though, did not know about Blacksky until today. Something to read up on over lunch. 🤝
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@stefan interesting, I've been wanting to see who's on bluesky just cause of how much bigger the userbase is, but I've hesitated to create an account there knowing it might not last very long. Following bluesky users from mastodon seems clunky. Will be watching the rollout of these other ones though I am not Black or European
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@stefan I think it's possibly shortsighted too but I'm not going to judge anyone for feeling convicted and choosing that as their form of action.
Grateful for your post though, did not know about Blacksky until today. Something to read up on over lunch. 🤝
@incentive Oh no, not judging either, I just wonder if those who disabled the bridge realize this, might not have taken that into account.
Some might know and not care, I guess.
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@incentive Oh no, not judging either, I just wonder if those who disabled the bridge realize this, might not have taken that into account.
Some might know and not care, I guess.
@stefan For clarity did not mean to indicate you were judging anyone 🙏
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@stefan For clarity did not mean to indicate you were judging anyone 🙏
@incentive No worries, didn't think that, just clarifying for others!
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On the other hand, apparently Bluesky suspended dril?
Fedi admins, get ready!
https://bsky.app/profile/stefanheck.bsky.social/post/3me2a4lwk6s2x
https://bsky.app/profile/samio.bsky.social/post/3me2aojkzg22h
@stefan apparently their profile is back up again.
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On the other hand, apparently Bluesky suspended dril?
Fedi admins, get ready!
https://bsky.app/profile/stefanheck.bsky.social/post/3me2a4lwk6s2x
https://bsky.app/profile/samio.bsky.social/post/3me2aojkzg22h
@stefan Sadly(?), dril is already back.
https://bsky.app/profile/dril.bsky.social/post/3me2e46t6xc2w -
@stefan Sadly(?), dril is already back.
https://bsky.app/profile/dril.bsky.social/post/3me2e46t6xc2w@stefan Whoops, I missed the interim conversation!
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@stefan interesting, I've been wanting to see who's on bluesky just cause of how much bigger the userbase is, but I've hesitated to create an account there knowing it might not last very long. Following bluesky users from mastodon seems clunky. Will be watching the rollout of these other ones though I am not Black or European
@mllsc @stefan there is also north sky https://bsky.app/profile/transrights.northsky.social
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@mllsc @stefan there is also north sky https://bsky.app/profile/transrights.northsky.social
@katherine_montalto Yeah, the Atmosphere is definitely growing.
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@katherine_montalto Yeah, the Atmosphere is definitely growing.
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@rolle I guess if the fediverse keeps pushing people away, and ATProto gains wide enough adoption, and it becomes easy to run your whole stack, I might just look into that.
Until then, I'll have to stick with the fediverse, as that's the only truly grassroots option.
I just don't get the whole "fediverse pushing people away" angle, at all. Care to elaborate?
There are millions of users and thousands of servers on the fediverse. All kinds of people, from all over the world. It's not one homogenous mass "pushing people away" or "being unwelcoming". You just couldn't make that happen even if you tried.
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I just don't get the whole "fediverse pushing people away" angle, at all. Care to elaborate?
There are millions of users and thousands of servers on the fediverse. All kinds of people, from all over the world. It's not one homogenous mass "pushing people away" or "being unwelcoming". You just couldn't make that happen even if you tried.
@pahoittelemme Are you thinking of millions of inactive users?
https://mastodon-analytics.com
The hostility, particularly towards Black people has been well documented.
https://logicmag.io/policy/blackness-in-the-fediverse-a-conversation-with-marcia-x/
https://privacy.thenexus.today/start-making-the-fediverse-less-toxic/
Every few days there is a woman talking about the sexism on here. Seems really hard to miss this stuff.
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Blacksky has already built their own ATProto stack that's fully independent from Bluesky.
Now Eurosky is making progress as they roll out their own PDS.
I see more independent infrastructure springing up on https://atp.fyi/network, including AppViews.
For anyone hoping that we'll get another wave of people coming to the fediverse once Bluesky folds/enshittifies, that might not necessarily be the case as people will have more options to stay in the Atmosphere.
@stefan mfrs will literally develop a whole-ass social networking stack for their specific community before they move to a fedi service. 🤦♀️
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@pahoittelemme Are you thinking of millions of inactive users?
https://mastodon-analytics.com
The hostility, particularly towards Black people has been well documented.
https://logicmag.io/policy/blackness-in-the-fediverse-a-conversation-with-marcia-x/
https://privacy.thenexus.today/start-making-the-fediverse-less-toxic/
Every few days there is a woman talking about the sexism on here. Seems really hard to miss this stuff.
We're probably speaking past each other.
The fediverse still isn't some homogenous blob where what you said applies universally. It's all down to individual instances and their moderators.
Granted, the largest instances probably have the worst time dealing with moderation.
But I have a hard time seeing @rolle walk past bad behaviour on the instance he runs, ditto for the org that runs my instance.
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We're probably speaking past each other.
The fediverse still isn't some homogenous blob where what you said applies universally. It's all down to individual instances and their moderators.
Granted, the largest instances probably have the worst time dealing with moderation.
But I have a hard time seeing @rolle walk past bad behaviour on the instance he runs, ditto for the org that runs my instance.
@pahoittelemme A lot of the problematic behavior is insidious, though.
Asking Black people to prove there is racism. Asking women to "just block" every single individual harasser. Telling people to "just" stop using Big Tech products. To add alt text. Not acknowledging some of the good things they're already doing and demanding perfection. Tone policing. Demanding very specific use of CWs.
All of these people are just trying to be helpful, right? Not really breaking any "rules".
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@pahoittelemme A lot of the problematic behavior is insidious, though.
Asking Black people to prove there is racism. Asking women to "just block" every single individual harasser. Telling people to "just" stop using Big Tech products. To add alt text. Not acknowledging some of the good things they're already doing and demanding perfection. Tone policing. Demanding very specific use of CWs.
All of these people are just trying to be helpful, right? Not really breaking any "rules".
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Yes, Blacksky does indeed host PDSs that are open to everyone! You can sign up there for a new account, or migrate an existing account. https://docs.blacksky.community/migrating-to-blacksky-pds-complete-guide has the details.