Blacksky has already built their own ATProto stack that's fully independent from Bluesky.
Fediverso
52
Posts
21
Posters
1
Views
-
@stefan interesting, I've been wanting to see who's on bluesky just cause of how much bigger the userbase is, but I've hesitated to create an account there knowing it might not last very long. Following bluesky users from mastodon seems clunky. Will be watching the rollout of these other ones though I am not Black or European
-
@stefan I think it's possibly shortsighted too but I'm not going to judge anyone for feeling convicted and choosing that as their form of action.
Grateful for your post though, did not know about Blacksky until today. Something to read up on over lunch. π€
@incentive Oh no, not judging either, I just wonder if those who disabled the bridge realize this, might not have taken that into account.
Some might know and not care, I guess.
-
@incentive Oh no, not judging either, I just wonder if those who disabled the bridge realize this, might not have taken that into account.
Some might know and not care, I guess.
@stefan For clarity did not mean to indicate you were judging anyone π
-
@stefan For clarity did not mean to indicate you were judging anyone π
@incentive No worries, didn't think that, just clarifying for others!
-
On the other hand, apparently Bluesky suspended dril?
Fedi admins, get ready!
https://bsky.app/profile/stefanheck.bsky.social/post/3me2a4lwk6s2x
https://bsky.app/profile/samio.bsky.social/post/3me2aojkzg22h
@stefan apparently their profile is back up again.
-
On the other hand, apparently Bluesky suspended dril?
Fedi admins, get ready!
https://bsky.app/profile/stefanheck.bsky.social/post/3me2a4lwk6s2x
https://bsky.app/profile/samio.bsky.social/post/3me2aojkzg22h
@stefan Sadly(?), dril is already back.
https://bsky.app/profile/dril.bsky.social/post/3me2e46t6xc2w -
@stefan Sadly(?), dril is already back.
https://bsky.app/profile/dril.bsky.social/post/3me2e46t6xc2w@stefan Whoops, I missed the interim conversation!
-
@stefan interesting, I've been wanting to see who's on bluesky just cause of how much bigger the userbase is, but I've hesitated to create an account there knowing it might not last very long. Following bluesky users from mastodon seems clunky. Will be watching the rollout of these other ones though I am not Black or European
@mllsc @stefan there is also north sky https://bsky.app/profile/transrights.northsky.social
-
@mllsc @stefan there is also north sky https://bsky.app/profile/transrights.northsky.social
@katherine_montalto Yeah, the Atmosphere is definitely growing.
-
@katherine_montalto Yeah, the Atmosphere is definitely growing.
-
@rolle I guess if the fediverse keeps pushing people away, and ATProto gains wide enough adoption, and it becomes easy to run your whole stack, I might just look into that.
Until then, I'll have to stick with the fediverse, as that's the only truly grassroots option.
I just don't get the whole "fediverse pushing people away" angle, at all. Care to elaborate?
There are millions of users and thousands of servers on the fediverse. All kinds of people, from all over the world. It's not one homogenous mass "pushing people away" or "being unwelcoming". You just couldn't make that happen even if you tried.
-
I just don't get the whole "fediverse pushing people away" angle, at all. Care to elaborate?
There are millions of users and thousands of servers on the fediverse. All kinds of people, from all over the world. It's not one homogenous mass "pushing people away" or "being unwelcoming". You just couldn't make that happen even if you tried.
@pahoittelemme Are you thinking of millions of inactive users?
https://mastodon-analytics.com
The hostility, particularly towards Black people has been well documented.
https://logicmag.io/policy/blackness-in-the-fediverse-a-conversation-with-marcia-x/
https://privacy.thenexus.today/start-making-the-fediverse-less-toxic/
Every few days there is a woman talking about the sexism on here. Seems really hard to miss this stuff.
-
Blacksky has already built their own ATProto stack that's fully independent from Bluesky.
Now Eurosky is making progress as they roll out their own PDS.
I see more independent infrastructure springing up on https://atp.fyi/network, including AppViews.
For anyone hoping that we'll get another wave of people coming to the fediverse once Bluesky folds/enshittifies, that might not necessarily be the case as people will have more options to stay in the Atmosphere.
@stefan mfrs will literally develop a whole-ass social networking stack for their specific community before they move to a fedi service. π€¦ββοΈ
-
@pahoittelemme Are you thinking of millions of inactive users?
https://mastodon-analytics.com
The hostility, particularly towards Black people has been well documented.
https://logicmag.io/policy/blackness-in-the-fediverse-a-conversation-with-marcia-x/
https://privacy.thenexus.today/start-making-the-fediverse-less-toxic/
Every few days there is a woman talking about the sexism on here. Seems really hard to miss this stuff.
We're probably speaking past each other.
The fediverse still isn't some homogenous blob where what you said applies universally. It's all down to individual instances and their moderators.
Granted, the largest instances probably have the worst time dealing with moderation.
But I have a hard time seeing @rolle walk past bad behaviour on the instance he runs, ditto for the org that runs my instance.
-
We're probably speaking past each other.
The fediverse still isn't some homogenous blob where what you said applies universally. It's all down to individual instances and their moderators.
Granted, the largest instances probably have the worst time dealing with moderation.
But I have a hard time seeing @rolle walk past bad behaviour on the instance he runs, ditto for the org that runs my instance.
@pahoittelemme A lot of the problematic behavior is insidious, though.
Asking Black people to prove there is racism. Asking women to "just block" every single individual harasser. Telling people to "just" stop using Big Tech products. To add alt text. Not acknowledging some of the good things they're already doing and demanding perfection. Tone policing. Demanding very specific use of CWs.
All of these people are just trying to be helpful, right? Not really breaking any "rules".
-
@pahoittelemme A lot of the problematic behavior is insidious, though.
Asking Black people to prove there is racism. Asking women to "just block" every single individual harasser. Telling people to "just" stop using Big Tech products. To add alt text. Not acknowledging some of the good things they're already doing and demanding perfection. Tone policing. Demanding very specific use of CWs.
All of these people are just trying to be helpful, right? Not really breaking any "rules".
-
Yes, Blacksky does indeed host PDSs that are open to everyone! You can sign up there for a new account, or migrate an existing account. https://docs.blacksky.community/migrating-to-blacksky-pds-complete-guide has the details.
-
@pahoittelemme Kind of a moot point. Bluesky has people. Twitter has people. So why do so few people want to be here?
You can't just attribute this to bad UX. People on Bluesky complain about not being able to edit posts, create private accounts, blocks being public, all kinds of UX problems.
It's not even an issue of having to pick a server, look at all the people who figured out that part, and now they're gone.
https://mastodon-analytics.com
Some will say that fediverse is "too complicated", but we've seen people install VPNs to get around TikTok bans and age restrictions, and now they're talking about migrating between PDSes and AppViews on Bluesky.
It's the culture here.
-
@pahoittelemme Kind of a moot point. Bluesky has people. Twitter has people. So why do so few people want to be here?
You can't just attribute this to bad UX. People on Bluesky complain about not being able to edit posts, create private accounts, blocks being public, all kinds of UX problems.
It's not even an issue of having to pick a server, look at all the people who figured out that part, and now they're gone.
https://mastodon-analytics.com
Some will say that fediverse is "too complicated", but we've seen people install VPNs to get around TikTok bans and age restrictions, and now they're talking about migrating between PDSes and AppViews on Bluesky.
It's the culture here.
@stefan I don't have that grim of a sentiment that Stefan has, I'll always root for the Fediverse. However, he has a point, because in retrospect the whole reason Bluesky's ATProto was born was this:
"The AP community has always been somewhat suspicious of Bluesky, for reasons that are understandable. APβs community is volunteer driven and the users joined to escape Twitter. So, here we come, a startup funded by Twitter, with strong opinions on how the tech should be done. Iβve heard concerns that weβd βembrace, extend, & extinguish.β Iβve heard concerns that weβd force through changes that people donβt want by dint of being a funded company. You can criticize us for going a different direction but I think itβd have been a difficult collaboration if we chose to use AP, especially since we werenβt willing to compromise on some of the decisions above."
https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/issues/255#issuecomment-1287953987
-
@stefan I don't have that grim of a sentiment that Stefan has, I'll always root for the Fediverse. However, he has a point, because in retrospect the whole reason Bluesky's ATProto was born was this:
"The AP community has always been somewhat suspicious of Bluesky, for reasons that are understandable. APβs community is volunteer driven and the users joined to escape Twitter. So, here we come, a startup funded by Twitter, with strong opinions on how the tech should be done. Iβve heard concerns that weβd βembrace, extend, & extinguish.β Iβve heard concerns that weβd force through changes that people donβt want by dint of being a funded company. You can criticize us for going a different direction but I think itβd have been a difficult collaboration if we chose to use AP, especially since we werenβt willing to compromise on some of the decisions above."
https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/issues/255#issuecomment-1287953987
Also we know that if you even hint of "forbidden subjects" like using public data unconsensually open to interpretation, Artificial Intelligence, for-profit company stuff, etc. you get easily attacked here.
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
-
@thisismissem ironically, I am debating rolling back the summary generation logic for NodeBB because sending the first 500 chars means fewer people go off-site to read the rest of the post.
I was able to get much more engagement by sending the entire darn thing in summary.
-
@hongminhee I also have one running with the latest alphas if needed. Let me know!
-
Just don't set as:sensitive with summary because that'll trigger a content warning!
-
@hongminhee cc @ivan and @mayel π₯
-
MastoBlaster is now available in public testing on TestFlight.
It is a lightweight, privacy-first Fediverse client for iOS, built around a simple idea: fast, small, predictable behavior, and first-class support for snac.
What makes it different:
β’ snac-first by design, not "compatible by accident"
β’ Works with all Mastodon API compatible software, including Mastodon, snac, GoToSocial, Akkoma, and others
β’ EXIF stripping on upload (HDR and orientation preserved)
β’ Optional on-device alt text generation via Apple Intelligence for your uploads and for images in your timeline
β’ Markdown posting for snac
β’ Granular notifications, grouping, multi-account
β’ Blocking and moderation tools
β’ Very small footprint, very low RAM usage
Alt text generation happens entirely on device via Apple APIs on supported hardware. Nothing is sent to external services.
It is built around my own workflow and priorities. It may not be for everyone, and that is perfectly fine.
Important note:
MastoBlaster will always be free for BSD Cafe users, illumos Cafe users, and for anyone connecting to a snac instance, including self-hosted ones.
The app is already usable, but this is still a test phase. I am looking for feedback, bug reports, and real-world usage insights.
TestFlight link:
https://testflight.apple.com/join/Pkxa5R1k
Stay tuned.
#MastoBlaster #iOS #Apple #Fediverse #Mastodon #snac #GoToSocial #Akkoma #ActivityPub
-
@fedicat@pc.cafe Oh, didn't know that. Thank you!
-
@hongminhee I was able to register a bonfire test account on indieweb.studio
-
@Zoufalec @mastoblaster @napierge Thank you for your feedback! The multi-account feature should be working correctly, but I will do some extra checks on my end. As for the rest, this is the very first beta of a new app, and the TestFlight phase is meant exactly for this: to help development and fix things that aren't working yet.
I'm taking note of your comments and will work to improve everything.
