Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

[quinn@social.circl.lu]

@artemis I'm kind of feeling vindicated because I always thought he was sus as hell and got beef from my leftist friends for it.

[artemis@dice.camp]

Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

[artemis@dice.camp]

Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

[lykso@tiny.tilde.website]

@artemis Some people have never killed their idols and it shows.

[artemis@dice.camp]

@quinn
Yep. You called it.

[artemis@dice.camp]

@lykso
I might need to put this on a T-shirt.

[artemis@dice.camp]

And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

[berniedoesit@mstdn.social]

@artemis Chomsky set off red flags for me even before the latest revelations. I don't even remember what the first clue was.

[lmgenealogy@mstdn.ca]

@artemis Because in the year 2026, the attitude that women and girls are objects for use and not really even people is more mainstream than ever.

[shadowfals@toot.cat]

@artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

[artemis@dice.camp]

If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

[burnitdown@beige.party]

@artemis a huge traitor. so bad i hope the IWW has rescinded his membership.

[eldersea@expressional.social]

@artemis
Nobody needs more white dude ideas lol.

[burnitdown@beige.party]

@lykso @artemis i might cut some lino to make a patch, or maybe a shirt if i can find some decent blank shirts.

[artemis@dice.camp]

@shadowfals
Someone else could do a better job summarizing him, but he's a public "leftist" intellectual. In his heyday he was frequently the only supposed "far left" guy getting high profile interviews & he was kind of supposed to be a one-of-a-kind genius.

Now that we know he was besties with billionaires, it's easy to see why HIS was the "leftist" voice that was given air.

[burnitdown@beige.party]

@artemis @quinn

let's look at his record:

> supported the invasion of Vietnam
> signed a letter against BDS alongside J.K. Rowling and Thom Yorke
> pedo shit with Epstein
> hobnobbing with Steve Bannon

i guess those "debates" with Alan Dershowitz were really just for show.

[burnitdown@beige.party]

@artemis @shadowfals

wikipedia will be more helpful to answer that question.

[artemis@dice.camp]

I always end up linking to Firestorm, but I am freaking in love with their curated catalog. I've ordered several books from them just based on description with no prior knowledge, & every single one has been 🔥.

A huge number of them are written by people along multiple axes of oppression. Also they throw in goodies sometimes like zines & other additional materials. That's how I found Crimethinc!

https://firestorm.coop/

@firestorm
@CrimethInc

[screwturn@mastodon.social]

@artemis
I just threw away a bunch of his books.

Maybe he didn't have sex with any underage or trafficked women, I don't know, and can't know.
But I know stink when I smell it, and him corresponding with Epstein after the sentencing just reeks.
Chomsky willingly engaged with and provided support for that guy, and for that, they can both go to hell

[screwturn@mastodon.social]

@artemis
Nobody's work is "too important"