Fediverse & AI Coding Tools & Vibe Coding
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Fediverse & AI Coding Tools & Vibe Coding
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I noticed 2 or 3 people lately using AI coding tools to create Fediverse software.
2 of them even seemed to be Vibe Coding.
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I have been programming for over 30 years. I am probably not going to Vibe Code, but —
I wonder if we should help them.
There are tools we (Fediverse developers) could create to make it so others could Vibe Code Fediverse apps.
#ActivityPub #AICodingTools #Fedidev #Fedidevs #Fediverse #JSONLD #VibeCoding
@reiver #LLM use is antithetical to the principles of freedom of Internet, so dear to the #fediverse
They're tools of control, by large corporations, which use their revenue and influence to erode democracy, concentrate wealth, take power away from people. Exactly the opposite of what fediverse stands for.
"Vibe coding" is an insult to any and everyone who dedicated effort, time to learn to code.
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@reiver I have no problem with AI except how it's made, how it's marketed, how it's used, and who's making money off it.
@reiver and, I would like to add, who they're politically supporting with that money
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@uwehalfhand@norcal.social I feel we're conflating vibe coding with plain AI usage as an assistant.
There's absolutely no pedagogical value to vibe coding.
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@julian I can say as someone who has learned quite a lot about a bunch of super technical topics from doing some exploration of vibe coding that I completely disagree with this sentiment. I think the companies and ways the AI industry is operating is horrid and abysmal but those two things shouldn't be conflated.
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@julian I can say as someone who has learned quite a lot about a bunch of super technical topics from doing some exploration of vibe coding that I completely disagree with this sentiment. I think the companies and ways the AI industry is operating is horrid and abysmal but those two things shouldn't be conflated.
@liaizon@social.wake.st what do you define vibe coding as?
Vibe coding is prompting, followed by copy-paste, and then re-prompting with the error message, repeat.
In no step there is any critical thinking.
If you are inspecting the generated code, applying it judiciously, and asking questions back to further understand the decisions made, you are not vibe coding.
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@liaizon@social.wake.st what do you define vibe coding as?
Vibe coding is prompting, followed by copy-paste, and then re-prompting with the error message, repeat.
In no step there is any critical thinking.
If you are inspecting the generated code, applying it judiciously, and asking questions back to further understand the decisions made, you are not vibe coding.
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@julian I can say as someone who has learned quite a lot about a bunch of super technical topics from doing some exploration of vibe coding that I completely disagree with this sentiment. I think the companies and ways the AI industry is operating is horrid and abysmal but those two things shouldn't be conflated.
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@uwehalfhand@norcal.social I feel we're conflating vibe coding with plain AI usage as an assistant.
There's absolutely no pedagogical value to vibe coding.
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@reiver and, I would like to add, who they're politically supporting with that money
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@reiver #LLM use is antithetical to the principles of freedom of Internet, so dear to the #fediverse
They're tools of control, by large corporations, which use their revenue and influence to erode democracy, concentrate wealth, take power away from people. Exactly the opposite of what fediverse stands for.
"Vibe coding" is an insult to any and everyone who dedicated effort, time to learn to code.
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@reiver@mastodon.social
Overall, I'm anti-"vibe coding" because new coders don't always know enough to see the logical fallacies, security vulnerabilities, etc. It's not usually a big deal if you're just making a simple desktop app but it can have huge implications for software that is open to the internet, has an expectation of properly handling user data, and needs to compatibly interoperate with other servers. Also, the energy and theft problems inherent to all "AI" use.
But I think we should be pragmatic. "Vibe coding" not going anywhere, so doing what we can to help keep everyone as safe as we can while stopping poorly understood code from DDOSing across the fediverse is the more mature path.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't discourage "vibe code" or at least encourage gaining education and/or experience before relying on it, though.
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@dansup @reiver Is it? It may be a gateway to actually developing small to medium apps, but I think it’s becoming increasingly clear that it removes the learning aspect (not just of programming, but writing and graphic design etc too).
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@reiver Vibe coding is a gateway to learning how to code, I'm all for it!
