Should the state of Palestine be demilitarized?
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@evan I do enjoy your polls normally. But this one is incredibly naive. To put it mildly.
If you would have said 'Should the Middle East be demilitarised?' - that would have been reasonable.
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@evan Palestine has the right to defend itself.
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@evan I do enjoy your polls normally. But this one is incredibly naive. To put it mildly.
If you would have said 'Should the Middle East be demilitarised?' - that would have been reasonable.
@leogaggl Hey, Leo. Demilitarization of Palestine has been one of the demands of Israeli negotiators since Oslo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process
The US Senate is currently considering a bill to recognize a "demilitarized Palestine":
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/410/text
The Trump Gaza plan also specifies that Gaza will be demilitarized:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_peace_plan
I don't think it's naive to ask if people think Palestine should be demilitarized.
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@leogaggl Hey, Leo. Demilitarization of Palestine has been one of the demands of Israeli negotiators since Oslo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process
The US Senate is currently considering a bill to recognize a "demilitarized Palestine":
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-resolution/410/text
The Trump Gaza plan also specifies that Gaza will be demilitarized:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_peace_plan
I don't think it's naive to ask if people think Palestine should be demilitarized.
@evan That's been the historical position for some decades. The US and Israel against the rest of the world.It is what got us to where we are in the first place.
Netanyahu and Trump. What more do you need to see?
I will leave it there.
Let's stick to positive stuff. Love your Fediverse work!
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@evan Palestine has the right to defend itself.
@DavidBHimself so, you're a No?
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@evan That's been the historical position for some decades. The US and Israel against the rest of the world.It is what got us to where we are in the first place.
Netanyahu and Trump. What more do you need to see?
I will leave it there.
Let's stick to positive stuff. Love your Fediverse work!
@leogaggl thanks for the kind words.
It sounds like you think these details are not interesting or important. Or maybe that US and Israeli negotiating positions aren't worth discussing? I can't tell.
Regardless, I enjoy talking and thinking about them. If this poll isn't interesting to you, feel free to skip it. There will be another one soon!
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Hey, everyone. Thanks to everyone who answered or replied.
Some people expressed surprise that this topic would be under discussion; it's been one of the negotiating parameters for the US and Israel since Oslo. Even work to recognize Palestine in the US Senate uses the phrase "demilitarized" in the title of the bill.
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Hey, everyone. Thanks to everyone who answered or replied.
Some people expressed surprise that this topic would be under discussion; it's been one of the negotiating parameters for the US and Israel since Oslo. Even work to recognize Palestine in the US Senate uses the phrase "demilitarized" in the title of the bill.
I'm a No, But. No, I don't think that a sovereign people should be disarmed against their will; that's really a low bar for sovereignty. I also don't like the racist presumption that Palestinians are inherently violent and unable to abide by peace agreements -- that unless they are disarmed, they will wage offensive wars against their neighbours. But, I do think it's reasonable to negotiate where and how military deployments can happen, though. Negotiating a demilitarized border, for example.
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I'm a No, But. No, I don't think that a sovereign people should be disarmed against their will; that's really a low bar for sovereignty. I also don't like the racist presumption that Palestinians are inherently violent and unable to abide by peace agreements -- that unless they are disarmed, they will wage offensive wars against their neighbours. But, I do think it's reasonable to negotiate where and how military deployments can happen, though. Negotiating a demilitarized border, for example.
A lot of commenters said that Israel should be demilitarized also or instead. I've never seen this proposed seriously, although a Google search shows that there were some utopian pacifist left Zionists in the early 1900s who proposed a demilitarized Israel/Palestine binational state. I don't know what to make of this, honestly. Sure, I guess?
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@downey I don't understand what you mean.
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@simonett_a Ho il vago sospetto che tu abbia risposto "francese" 😉
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@Uilebheist @Yaku @rapitadaglialieni sì, era un riferimento a quello, con purple fuzzy unicorn che secondo me come safe word è un po' lunghetta per essere veramente adatta, ma vince come effetto divertente (e memnonico) per un discorso meta
e dici solo “avvicinando”? :D
ah, dall'altra parte, dopo aver fatto il giro, giusto? :D
