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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihadWhat was that other new Mac code editor? They had an expiring demo so I wasn't able to use a fixed, working version of it, but it seemed promising?
Ah, Nova: https://nova.appI spent a while on Sublime Text, it's cool but the config system in JSON & the hoops you have to jump thru to just add a script are fucking awful.
I miss Atom. It was kick-ass. Slow. Ungainly. Ate all available RAM. But pretty & super-powerful.
I'm going thru "best code editor mac" listicles and UUuuuuugh.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad@mdhughes Ugh for goodness sake. Hopefully there'll be enough people concerned about this for a fork to start, if not I might think about switching to regular old vi at some point.
"He is not too happy about this". How many developers and maintainers are we going to lose to this mental illness?
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad -
I guess we are the free-range-eggs of software.
@screwlisp In that nobody wants to pick that shit up & there's no discernible difference in taste? Yes. Fuckin' emacs. If I end up using emacs I'll blame you! (I actually won't, I'll blame jwz & rms & James Gosling)
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@mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social neovim ?? where ?
@fiore Read down in that thread I linked. Explicitly using slop.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad -
@fiore Read down in that thread I linked. Explicitly using slop.
@mdhughes@appdot.net the only reference to neovim in the whole thread is someone saying they dont use it because it breaks backwards compatibility tho ??
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@mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social neovim ?? where ?
@fiore@brain.worm.pink @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social neovim depends on vim to exist
because it's a fork
nvm nope, it's a hard fork -
@fiore@brain.worm.pink @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social neovim depends on vim to exist
because it's a fork
nvm nope, it's a hard fork@thing@plasmatrap.com @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social its a hard fork made years ago tho ??? they are completely unrelated projects now , sometimes stuff is ported over but like . they are not related in the slightest
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@thing@plasmatrap.com @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social its a hard fork made years ago tho ??? they are completely unrelated projects now , sometimes stuff is ported over but like . they are not related in the slightest
@fiore@brain.worm.pink @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social o wait it's a hard fork?
ok nice :)
atleast neovim is safe -
@fiore@brain.worm.pink @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social o wait it's a hard fork?
ok nice :)
atleast neovim is safe@thing@plasmatrap.com @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social dont get me wrong , i dont believe the neovim mantainers are particularly anti-ai in general , but at the same time maybe lets not point the j'accuse finger towards projects who havent actively gone and shat on themselves yet ?
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@thing@plasmatrap.com @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social dont get me wrong , i dont believe the neovim mantainers are particularly anti-ai in general , but at the same time maybe lets not point the j'accuse finger towards projects who havent actively gone and shat on themselves yet ?
@thing@plasmatrap.com @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social unless im just wrong and missing smth crucial
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@thing@plasmatrap.com @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social unless im just wrong and missing smth crucial
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@mdhughes@appdot.net the only reference to neovim in the whole thread is someone saying they dont use it because it breaks backwards compatibility tho ??
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@mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social @fiore@brain.worm.pink it seems like neovim DOES have commits from claude upstream :(
(source: blocking claude and looking at commits.in github) -
@mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social @fiore@brain.worm.pink it seems like neovim DOES have commits from claude upstream :(
(source: blocking claude and looking at commits.in github)@thing@plasmatrap.com @mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social so it seems .. oh well
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What was that other new Mac code editor? They had an expiring demo so I wasn't able to use a fixed, working version of it, but it seemed promising?
Ah, Nova: https://nova.appI spent a while on Sublime Text, it's cool but the config system in JSON & the hoops you have to jump thru to just add a script are fucking awful.
I miss Atom. It was kick-ass. Slow. Ungainly. Ate all available RAM. But pretty & super-powerful.
I'm going thru "best code editor mac" listicles and UUuuuuugh.
Good news! Textmate 2 still runs. Guaranteed no slop because it was last modified 5 years ago, and has some runtime problems on later OS's. Allegedly doesn't build in current Xcode, despite being good old-fashioned Objective-C/C++. Mailing list is dead, IRC is dead? Well, shit.
Can't try Nova until new computer.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad@mdhughes ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!
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What was that other new Mac code editor? They had an expiring demo so I wasn't able to use a fixed, working version of it, but it seemed promising?
Ah, Nova: https://nova.appI spent a while on Sublime Text, it's cool but the config system in JSON & the hoops you have to jump thru to just add a script are fucking awful.
I miss Atom. It was kick-ass. Slow. Ungainly. Ate all available RAM. But pretty & super-powerful.
I'm going thru "best code editor mac" listicles and UUuuuuugh.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad@mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social fuuuuuuu
so does anyone know what stance Helix takes on this?
https://helix-editor.com/
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@delegatevoid this is my favorite bit of supporting evidence so far to show that yes, this technology is massively overhyped, yes it is being pushed by charlatans and snake oil salesmen, and no it does not actually work as advertised https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware-why-ai-coding
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haha ratio'ed (literally any reply vs original post responses is a ratio)
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@delegatevoid between all the studies that show ai makes you less productive, ai use makes your skills evaporate, and other things like there being listings for people to invest in companies that *don't* use ai and also banks are apparently starting to refuse to fund the construction of ai data centers; i think it is rather safe to say the people astroturfing it are full of shit
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@aeva I hope so
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@delegatevoid simple. not everyone believes that, and also it won't make programming obsolete
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@delegatevoid It's so hard to tell right now. ☹️ I've got more time behind me as a developer than ahead. I'm never adopting the vibe coding AI style. Local code completion is the closest I get.
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@stefano @forgetpassword hello yes I am the FreeBSD implementation maintainer. Their deployment/configuration tooling is heavily dependent on Debian/systemd, so I re-implemented it with a self-contained Chef cookbook
it's fully compatible and about 95% identical. A few minor changes are made like keeping the scheduled maintenance jobs as crons as they migrated to systemd timers.
https://github.com/feld/chatmail-cookbook
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RE: https://io.mwl.io/@mwl/116199148358378037
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