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What was that other new Mac code editor? They had an expiring demo so I wasn't able to use a fixed, working version of it, but it seemed promising?
Ah, Nova: https://nova.appI spent a while on Sublime Text, it's cool but the config system in JSON & the hoops you have to jump thru to just add a script are fucking awful.
I miss Atom. It was kick-ass. Slow. Ungainly. Ate all available RAM. But pretty & super-powerful.
I'm going thru "best code editor mac" listicles and UUuuuuugh.
Good news! Textmate 2 still runs. Guaranteed no slop because it was last modified 5 years ago, and has some runtime problems on later OS's. Allegedly doesn't build in current Xcode, despite being good old-fashioned Objective-C/C++. Mailing list is dead, IRC is dead? Well, shit.
Can't try Nova until new computer.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad@mdhughes ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!
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What was that other new Mac code editor? They had an expiring demo so I wasn't able to use a fixed, working version of it, but it seemed promising?
Ah, Nova: https://nova.appI spent a while on Sublime Text, it's cool but the config system in JSON & the hoops you have to jump thru to just add a script are fucking awful.
I miss Atom. It was kick-ass. Slow. Ungainly. Ate all available RAM. But pretty & super-powerful.
I'm going thru "best code editor mac" listicles and UUuuuuugh.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad@mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social fuuuuuuu
so does anyone know what stance Helix takes on this?
https://helix-editor.com/ -
No. There is no over-the-top countermeasure that could be reasonably classified as insane at this point. It's all stops out now. You'll thank us later.
Or maybe not, because you will still pine for the age when people tried to outsource all genuinely human activities (like thinking, poetry, music, painting and drawing) to un-thinking machines.
Frankly that's just possible. In the trade we call it the "the AI hangover" (or better: We will call it). It's ordinary withdrawal and nothing that cannot be fixed with bog standard therapy.
(Though, frankly, we won't be so forgiving with the tech bros: It will be at least labor camp for them).
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@mdhughes@appdot.net @siegel@mastodon.social fuuuuuuu
so does anyone know what stance Helix takes on this?
https://helix-editor.com/@aud Helix looks clean, but I wasn't really into their terminal-only setup; when/if they can do GPU-backed windowing I'd be a lot more interested.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad@mdhughes I started running through https://viewsourcecode.org/snaptoken/kilo/index.html the other day to make/learn about text editors. I was using ecode's appimage, but I have vscodium installed from flathub too. A lot of the time I just use Kate though.
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@aud Helix looks clean, but I wasn't really into their terminal-only setup; when/if they can do GPU-backed windowing I'd be a lot more interested.
@mdhughes@appdot.net Thanks. I was looking myself and can't seem to find any evidence of LLM code in it, which, great! I was hoping to find whether they've taken any specific stance on "LLM contributions", but I can't seem to find any evidence on it...
They are apparently uninterested in doing any LLM integrations in the core editor (leaving that up to plugins) itself, but that isn't necessarily the same thing as rejecting LLM generated code. I might ask myself, honestly. -
@mdhughes@appdot.net Thanks. I was looking myself and can't seem to find any evidence of LLM code in it, which, great! I was hoping to find whether they've taken any specific stance on "LLM contributions", but I can't seem to find any evidence on it...
They are apparently uninterested in doing any LLM integrations in the core editor (leaving that up to plugins) itself, but that isn't necessarily the same thing as rejecting LLM generated code. I might ask myself, honestly.@mdhughes@appdot.net welp, logged into my rarely used GH account to ask: https://github.com/helix-editor/helix/discussions/15408
hopefully that is... calm enough to not invite getting dogpiled by LLM boosters. I really just want a "yes, no, maybe, haven't decided, don't care", one way or another. I am long past the point of wanting to debate this stuff with people... -
What was that other new Mac code editor? They had an expiring demo so I wasn't able to use a fixed, working version of it, but it seemed promising?
Ah, Nova: https://nova.appI spent a while on Sublime Text, it's cool but the config system in JSON & the hoops you have to jump thru to just add a script are fucking awful.
I miss Atom. It was kick-ass. Slow. Ungainly. Ate all available RAM. But pretty & super-powerful.
I'm going thru "best code editor mac" listicles and UUuuuuugh.
@mdhughes what happened to bbedit? That used be a thing, rght?
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@mdhughes what happened to bbedit? That used be a thing, rght?
@Ra I do use BBEdit but really only for plain text, markdown, sometimes Python or shell scripts, anything with complex syntax (I do a lot of JS & Scheme) doesn't highlight well in it. Even MD sometimes I have to page up, page down to get it to reflow.
And for code my fingers have 35+ years of vi. I'm not changing that before I die.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad -
@mdhughes Ugh for goodness sake. Hopefully there'll be enough people concerned about this for a fork to start, if not I might think about switching to regular old vi at some point.
"He is not too happy about this". How many developers and maintainers are we going to lose to this mental illness?
@dfstarshine @mdhughes Search is so shit now of you look for "vim without ai" you only get "vim with ai".
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad -
Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad -
@Ra I do use BBEdit but really only for plain text, markdown, sometimes Python or shell scripts, anything with complex syntax (I do a lot of JS & Scheme) doesn't highlight well in it. Even MD sometimes I have to page up, page down to get it to reflow.
And for code my fingers have 35+ years of vi. I'm not changing that before I die.
@mdhughes @Ra I have vile installed alongside vim now... (No, not emacs with vile bindings, actual vile. https://invisible-island.net/vile/ )
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad@mdhughes Bram’s no doubt rolling over in his grave. Has “:help uganda” now changed to “:burn workld with csam slop” too?
Anyway, bbedit’s fine. For as long as it lasts (it consumes energy too, and the AI overlords insatiability will trump that at some point no doubt)
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihadalways cat and grep and friends in a terminal. no, feel your pain. habits die hard.
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Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad -
Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.
I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.
I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?
Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.
Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad
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