Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

[andrewradev@hachyderm.io]

@normalmode Yeah, interface decisions like method names etc live forever. Vim's strongest feature is how backwards-compatible it is. That's why I can have a folding plugin from 2006 installed in my config and it works perfectly 20 years later.

Running slop bots to "discuss" the API is the opposite of thoughtful. It's not like the project hasn't made bad calls about naming or types, but they have all been made with intent, at least, and people have learned from past mistakes.

At this point, I no longer feel like I can recommend anybody to update their Vim to get some new feature, since it's just as likely to contain a bunch of security issues or subtle bugs. I have already slowed my posting under @VimLinks because of stuff like this, but I think I'm fully done for the moment.

[normalmode@mastodon.social]

@AndrewRadev Yes: complete, unwavering commitment to backwards compatibility has long been one of the things I’ve most appreciated about Vim, too. It’s one of the main (legitimate) reasons I’m still not on Neovim.

[eljojo@ruby.social]

@AndrewRadev wow this PR is truly painful to read. it feels like these social networks made for AIs to talk to each other. I don’t mind AI writing code for you, but you gotta take ownership over the ideas, you can’t just point a finger and say it this or that, you gotta understand it and own it. You posted it online, under your name, not the AI’s.

[danielsiepmann@friendica.daniel-siepmann.de]

@AndrewRadev @normalmode It actually is the reason I've switched back from Neovim after years.

Now I need to reconsider mu editor, the main building block of my work and one of the biggest ones in my private life... So sad.

[kunev@blewsky.social]

@AndrewRadev@hachyderm.io I used to think how much nicer the internet in general and FOSS communities specifically would be if people were a bit warmer and nicer to each other. Acknowledging others' contributions and ideas, thanking each other for good points etc. instead of the popular attempts to outnerd each other on technicalities.

Should've been more careful about what I wish for I guess...

[theorangetheme@en.osm.town]

@AndrewRadev
@davidgerard

[sstendahl@floss.social]

@AndrewRadev Don't worry, just tell Claude “yeah, but I did this with intention” and it will respond with “oh my bad, I can totally see now, and my initial concern was wrong”.

I once tried to put my own code into Claude to see if it can find bugs or do pre-review. Some suggestions are plain wrong, other times they just don't make sense. And each time you highlight them to the LLM or tell it that you did it on purpose, it'll just says "oopsie my bad you're right".

Not that useful.

[sstendahl@floss.social]

@AndrewRadev Like I'm not religiously against LLM's at all times. Even though I do think they do more harm than good, there are situations I'm fine by them existing.

But Jesus, willingness people are to put themselves in the position of a reverse centaur is just painful. It's a complete lack of care of the craft. The fact that VIM's lead developer seems to buy into this is concerning to say the least…

[simonzerafa@infosec.exchange]

@AndrewRadev

Time to tell them to fork off? 🙂🤷‍♂️

[teohhanhui@mastodon.social]

@nihilistic_capybara @AndrewRadev https://github.com/vim/vim/pull/19413#issuecomment-4000394026

[nik@toot.teckids.org]

@AndrewRadev Is neovim better in this regard?

[nihilistic_capybara@layer8.space]

@AndrewRadev just to see if I understand. Are you having an issue with using Claude code for working with code or with the fact that he addresses claude like a person?

[nihilistic_capybara@layer8.space]

@teohhanhui @AndrewRadev thank you

[andrewradev@hachyderm.io]

@kunev "There, I fixed it"

[thereverend4253@mastodon.social]

@AndrewRadev everyuone I talked to when the dumbass AI boom started told me not to worry but I knew straight away vibe coding trash will make things crap. Seeing people I used to look up to when I was a young developer are now AI zombies. My current, thankfully non-dev, work is impacted a lot with certain vendors releasing updates that break a lot of basic functionality. What a f-ing mess :(

[starcross@mk.absturztau.be]

@AndrewRadev@hachyderm.io have you seen Lutris too?

[webhat@infosec.exchange]

misschien iets voor jullie @Noortjevee

[catch56@kolektiva.social]

@nihilistic_capybara @AndrewRadev can't answer for the OP but for me the issue is that at least two people in that PR are clearly putting stuff into Claude and then pasting the output directly on the issue.

[weirdwriter@caneandable.social]

@AndrewRadev Sounds like every corporate/business email I’ve ever received. I fucking hate that style of communicating. Maybe it’s just me, but I never say thank you in an email unless I really mean it!

[kats@chaosfem.tw]

@AndrewRadev This might be what it takes for me to switch to Neovim, assuming they're not going the same way.