TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in.
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@NeonxDaze You have convinced me, stranger from the internet. The article is obviously totally wrong because you know everything about ... checks notes ... vapes.
@jwildeboer it's impossible for lithium ion cells to last longer than 10 years under discharge and recharging until they're nonfunctional. The only option is to ditch lithium ion and create a better cell or go to hydrogen. Hydrogen is a much better alternative just because any gasser can be converted to run off hydrogen. No more mining for finite resources just water and baking soda electrified to separate oxygen from hydrogen and you'll still get the glorious sound of a gas engine.
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@renard @jwildeboer I've seen predictions that replacing the main battery in an EV will be cheaper than most ICE repairs. Batteries are getting cheap very quickly
@Nerdfest @renard @jwildeboer I'm hoping this is true. Although I live where roads are salted 4+months out of the year, so my car frame might not last as long as my first battery. But I might consider paying to replace it by 2030 to get one that has a longer range. (220 miles in summer, Subaru Solterra, 2023)
We still have to use my son's ICE vehicle (my old car) for road trips over 2 hours driving distance. -
@renard @jwildeboer I've seen predictions that replacing the main battery in an EV will be cheaper than most ICE repairs. Batteries are getting cheap very quickly
@Nerdfest @renard @jwildeboer There is no repairing ICE… Oh, you mean Internal Combustion Engine.
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TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in. Battery degradation is at better (meaning: lower) rates than expected. Slow charging is better. Drive EV and don’t worry about your battery.
„Our 2025 analysis of over 22,700 electric vehicles, covering 21 different vehicle models, confirms that overall, modern EV batteries are robust and built to last beyond a typical vehicle’s service life.“
@jwildeboer too bad no right to repair and not a single electronic item lasts longer than a mechanical one. This isn’t exclusive to only EV but ICE vehicles with stupid electronic parking brakes etc
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TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in. Battery degradation is at better (meaning: lower) rates than expected. Slow charging is better. Drive EV and don’t worry about your battery.
„Our 2025 analysis of over 22,700 electric vehicles, covering 21 different vehicle models, confirms that overall, modern EV batteries are robust and built to last beyond a typical vehicle’s service life.“
So many (good) things about solar and battery technology seem like stealth protagonist heros in the sci fi novel we're in.
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@renard @jwildeboer I've seen predictions that replacing the main battery in an EV will be cheaper than most ICE repairs. Batteries are getting cheap very quickly
And vehicle lifetime including used market through dismantling, the worst aspect of EVs will ne same as all vehicles, the smonnt pf plastic on construction.
How much petroleum will an EV use in 20 years? A dozen liters of lubricants and maybe fluids in transmissions?
I owned a 1968 small american car with 215,000 miles, nearly all by rhe original owner (not me) who religiously changed the engine oil every 2000 (two). At 5 quarts each time that's 200 changes, 1000 liters in lubricants never mind fuel. Otherwise ot was a marvel of preventative maintenance and old world quality. And that's as good as they get.
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TL;DR Most EV batteries will last longer than the cars they’re in. Battery degradation is at better (meaning: lower) rates than expected. Slow charging is better. Drive EV and don’t worry about your battery.
„Our 2025 analysis of over 22,700 electric vehicles, covering 21 different vehicle models, confirms that overall, modern EV batteries are robust and built to last beyond a typical vehicle’s service life.“
@jwildeboer That's great and its an additional reason why if I'll ever need a daily driver its likely going to be electric (at the moment I'd rather take the train as much as I can and buy a fun IC car for that single time each week I need to take a car to go somewhere).
I only hope that when the time comes batteries are going to be easier and cheaper to source. While batteries already lasts more than the expected car lifetime I'm pretty sure that with the reduced wear and tear EV components endure you can easily extend that lifetime. On the other hand I heard EV owners complaining about makers who refuses to sell new batteries (forcing them to source from used batteries from the junkyard) or who sells these at price high enough to make the replacement not worth the cost (despite the rest of the car is in pristine condition).
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@jwildeboer @chrisp Oh, yeah, no. But the choice is hard, particularly as those are not features that are commonly reported.
“Won't apply firmware updates while on the highway” Oh. Good.
@shtrom @jwildeboer @chrisp I also worry about the on board software, but if I bought a car, there is no way it would be ICE. Last time I looked at offers, they even weren‘t that much cheaper. And I‘d be curious to see how the care manufacturer handles GDPR based requests. We always have the right to demand deletion and also stop of collection of data. Wondering if they have implemented that case.
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Paraphrasing:
- Electric cars will self-ignite after 10 years, that's just a fact.
- Electric cars that have been on the market for less than 10 years have not proven to be as reliable as my 35+ years old car so it's a no
- Something, something surveillance that seems to only exist in EVs
- Do they support Apple CarPlay?Definitely stunning.
@jwildeboer I use home assistant to manage my EV not the manufactures app. Not perfect but a step closer and limits data leakage.
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This also means that buying a used EV is perfectly fine. If the used car is „younger“ than 5-7 years, the battery will be fine for years to come.
„How long do EV batteries last?
The average lifespan of EV batteries will be around 13 years or more based on observed degradation rates.“
@jwildeboer Buying a used EV is a smart move and usually way cheaper than buying new. Just make sure to request (or get) a certified battery health check. It’s inexpensive, very reliable, and can save you from burning money on a bad pack.
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This also means that buying a used EV is perfectly fine. If the used car is „younger“ than 5-7 years, the battery will be fine for years to come.
„How long do EV batteries last?
The average lifespan of EV batteries will be around 13 years or more based on observed degradation rates.“
I recommend the channel of the battery doc:
For e.g.:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPdC9zRxSJw
Instead of 14-17k€/$ for battery replacement, you can repair them for a few hundred bugs. -
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@stefano what issues are you encountering? I migrated two accounts from android to iOS with almost no issues.
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@bryan thank you Bryan. The backup size issue isn't about costs... I have zero extra expenses. It's just that I would like to keep backup sizes relatively small in case I need to do a restore.
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