I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is.

[drscriptt@oldbytes.space]

@abucci @bert_hubert the people that researched and authored said blogs were very serious. Sadly many of those paying said authors to do the work that prompted the articles weren’t equally serious.

[troed@masto.sangberg.se]

@bert_hubert In the 90s we had the "Programmer productivity can be measured as LoC".

AI productivity measures seem to be the same ...

[abucci@buc.ci]

@drscriptt@oldbytes.space @bert_hubert@eupolicy.social I personally know more than one person who's spent years writing about some method, let's say TDD, going to conferences presenting their ideas etc, fully independently of their employer. Said folks are now slinging AI slop and writing about how great LLMs are. Blaming the employer doesn't pass a smell test.

[root42@chaos.social]

@bert_hubert just let the AI spew out code. Who needs software architects anyway?

[n_dimension@infosec.exchange]

@bert_hubert

Why waste weeks on design
When you could waste six months on coding?

[mark@mdft.social]

@bert_hubert we're going to have to express technical debt in kiloyears now

[bo@floss.social]

@bert_hubert
It is crazy how we never really moved on from bonusses from more LoC.

[nightmared@mastodon.nightmared.fr]

@root42 @bert_hubert I have seen so many weird takes on IA these last few days, it took me a long time to understand this is sarcasm, and not another take from someone that believes Claude is a better architect than the people with actual domain experience. Sorry, that's on me!

I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law never loses 😅

[jeroenbaten@mastodon.nl]

@bert_hubert wait, it isn't?

[spdrnl@sigmoid.social]

@bert_hubert Every program without a specification is bug free!

[shelldozer@oldbytes.space]

@StumpyTheMutt @Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert

https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html

[nymnympseudonymm@mstdn.science]

@drscriptt @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Once you invest that -- which you should have anyway, good docs, instructions for new contributors -- you have a loop that turns GPU cycles into bug fixes.

[drscriptt@oldbytes.space]

@abucci @bert_hubert what they are doing is a disappointment.

[drscriptt@oldbytes.space]

@Nymnympseudonymm @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert I think I’ve seen people try to say AI / LLM can produce good results without the upfront work.

I question the veracity of their suggestions.

[carl@chaos.social]

@bert_hubert This

[dot@noc.social]

@bert_hubert exactly.. just as mathematics isn't about numbers..
/s

[froge@social.glitched.systems]

@bert_hubert@eupolicy.social but more code = more better surely :D

[shantara@mastodon.social]

@bert_hubert I always consider a negative lines of code counter on a pull request to be a badge of honour.

[paulatothepeople@climatejustice.social]

@bert_hubert In the age of AI how would anyone still know what anything is?

[magnetic_tape@infosec.exchange]

@bert_hubert
Specifications and requirements are 80% of the workload of an actual software engineering project. The 20% left are just for coding and the other 20% are for debugging.