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December 2025 ForumWG Meeting


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  • @trwnh@mastodon.social sure here are the minutes!

    I was the only member in attendance 😁 The meeting was adjourned with zero action items
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  • @julian sorry for oversleeping today -- any minutes?

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  • Monthly meetings are held on the first Thursday of each month, at 13h00 to 14h00 Eastern Time (currently 18h00 to 19h00 UTC). You can find them listed in the SocialCG Calendar. The next meeting will be held (today) on 5 February 2026.

    Meeting link: https://meet.jit.si/ap-forum-wg

    There is no set agenda for this month's meeting.

    @julian will discuss a new FEP-f15d: Context Relocation and Removal and integration efforts with the Lemmy and Piefed folk. Updates re: FEP-4f05: Soft Deletion and WordPress and Mastodon's efforts to implement
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  • @silverpill@mitra.social said in Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting:
    > It's not possible to sign a dynamic object, because some of its properties are constantly changing (items, totalItems and others). This means collections need to be always server-managed. Therefore, clients shouldn't be allowed to directly create, update or delete them.

    Mmm, signing doesn't guarantee data correctness, it only guarantees that the data presented is correct as of sending, per the sender's point of view.

    Just like how signing a Create(Note) only guarantees that the note's data is what it is at the time of the Create, a Move(Context) only guarantees the validity of the context's data at the time of the Move.

    That said, this FEP doesn't have you including the entire object in, just the URI, so this is moot........ no?

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  • Sorry it took so long to respond to this —

    Re: assumption of a context belonging to one audience
    > Where, in Lemmy? Even if some implementations don't support cross-posting I don't see a reason to block it at the protocol level.

    This FEP doesn't block cross-posting at the protocol level. Move just explicitly states that a context was Removed from one and Added to another. You could achieve this just fine with Remove followed by Add, but this just reduces it down to a single activity and eliminates any side-effects (e.g. a Remove without corresponding Add might mean content is purged from the db)

    So in theory, a context can belong to multiple audiences, and it can be moved from one to another, or removed from one.

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  • Collections are dynamic objects because they can be paginated and filtered. It's not possible to sign a dynamic object, because some of its properties are constantly changing (items, totalItems and others). This means collections need to be always server-managed. Therefore, clients shouldn't be allowed to directly create, update or delete them.

    I think the proposed Move activity is an obfuscated Update because it changes the collection directly.

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  • >the assumption is already there

    Where, in Lemmy? Even if some implementations don't support cross-posting I don't see a reason to block it at the protocol level.

    And Update is simpler, that's one activity instead of two (Move and Remove).

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  • silverpill@mitra.social said in Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting:
    > 2. Treating collections (dynamic views) as static objects that can be moved, deleted etc is not compatible with client-side signing.

    You mentioned this before, but I am not sure what you are referring to. Do you mind elaborating?

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  • ... und übrigens.

    Fediverso wordpress fediverse activitypub
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    ... und übrigens. #wordpress und #fediverse sind DAS Feature! Das funktioniert inzwischen super reibungslos und mich wundert, dass das noch nicht vollkommen explodiert ist. Was geht ab? #activitypub
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    Wie grossartig das #activitypub Plugin von @pfefferle und Kollektiv ist! #gedanke 👊
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    This tutorial will guide you through building a simple ActivityPub bot using Python. The bot will listen for mentions and, when it receives a message in a specific format, it will schedule and send a reminder back to the user after a specified delay. For example, if a user mentions the bot with a message like "@reminder@your.host.com 10m check the oven", the bot will reply 10 minutes later with a message like "🔔 Reminder for @user: check the oven". Prerequisites To follow this tutorial, you will need Python 3.10+ and the following libraries: apkit[server]: A powerful toolkit for building ActivityPub applications in Python. We use the server extra, which includes FastAPI-based components. uvicorn: An ASGI server to run our FastAPI application. cryptography: Used for generating and managing the cryptographic keys required for ActivityPub. uv: An optional but recommended fast package manager. You can install these dependencies using uv or pip. # Initialize a new project with uv uv init # Install dependencies uv add "apkit[server]" uvicorn cryptography Project Structure The project structure is minimal, consisting of a single Python file for our bot's logic. . ├── main.py └── private_key.pem main.py: Contains all the code for the bot. private_key.pem: The private key for the bot's Actor. This will be generated automatically on the first run. Code Walkthrough Our application logic can be broken down into the following steps: Imports and Configuration: Set up necessary imports and basic configuration variables. Key Generation: Prepare the cryptographic keys needed for signing activities. Actor Definition: Define the bot's identity on the Fediverse. Server Initialization: Set up the apkit ActivityPub server. Data Storage: Implement a simple in-memory store for created activities. Reminder Logic: Code the core logic for parsing reminders and sending notifications. Endpoint Definitions: Create the necessary web endpoints (/actor, /inbox, etc.). Activity Handlers: Process incoming activities from other servers. Application Startup: Run the server. Let's dive into each section of the main.py file. 1. Imports and Configuration First, we import the necessary modules and define the basic configuration for our bot. # main.py import asyncio import logging import re import uuid import os from datetime import timedelta, datetime # Imports from FastAPI, cryptography, and apkit from fastapi import Request, Response from fastapi.responses import JSONResponse from cryptography.hazmat.primitives.asymmetric import rsa from cryptography.hazmat.primitives import serialization as crypto_serialization from apkit.config import AppConfig from apkit.server import ActivityPubServer from apkit.server.types import Context, ActorKey from apkit.server.responses import ActivityResponse from apkit.models import ( Actor, Application, CryptographicKey, Follow, Create, Note, Mention, Actor as APKitActor, OrderedCollection, ) from apkit.client import WebfingerResource, WebfingerResult, WebfingerLink from apkit.client.asyncio.client import ActivityPubClient # --- Logging Setup --- logging.basicConfig(level=logging.INFO) logger = logging.getLogger(__name__) # --- Basic Configuration --- HOST = "your.host.com" # Replace with your domain USER_ID = "reminder" # The bot's username Make sure to replace your.host.com with the actual domain where your bot will be hosted. These values determine your bot's unique identifier (e.g., @reminder@your.host.com). 2. Key Generation and Persistence ActivityPub uses HTTP Signatures to secure communication between servers. This requires each actor to have a public/private key pair. The following code generates a private key and saves it to a file if one doesn't already exist. # main.py (continued) # --- Key Persistence --- KEY_FILE = "private_key.pem" # Load the private key if it exists, otherwise generate a new one if os.path.exists(KEY_FILE): logger.info(f"Loading existing private key from {KEY_FILE}.") with open(KEY_FILE, "rb") as f: private_key = crypto_serialization.load_pem_private_key(f.read(), password=None) else: logger.info(f"No key file found. Generating new private key and saving to {KEY_FILE}.") private_key = rsa.generate_private_key(public_exponent=65537, key_size=2048) with open(KEY_FILE, "wb") as f: f.write(private_key.private_bytes( encoding=crypto_serialization.Encoding.PEM, format=crypto_serialization.PrivateFormat.PKCS8, encryption_algorithm=crypto_serialization.NoEncryption() )) # Generate the public key from the private key public_key_pem = private_key.public_key().public_bytes( encoding=crypto_serialization.Encoding.PEM, format=crypto_serialization.PublicFormat.SubjectPublicKeyInfo ).decode('utf-8') 3. Actor Definition Next, we define the bot's Actor. The Actor is the bot's identity in the ActivityPub network. We use the Application type, as this entity is automated. # main.py (continued) # --- Actor Definition --- actor = Application( id=f"https://{HOST}/actor", name="Reminder Bot", preferredUsername=USER_ID, summary="A bot that sends you reminders. Mention me like: @reminder 5m Check the oven", inbox=f"https://{HOST}/inbox", # Endpoint for receiving activities outbox=f"https://{HOST}/outbox", # Endpoint for sending activities publicKey=CryptographicKey( id=f"https://{HOST}/actor#main-key", owner=f"https://{HOST}/actor", publicKeyPem=public_key_pem ) ) 4. Server Initialization We initialize the ActivityPubServer from apkit, providing it with a function to retrieve our Actor's keys for signing outgoing activities. # main.py (continued) # --- Key Retrieval Function --- async def get_keys_for_actor(identifier: str) -> list[ActorKey]: """Returns the key for a given Actor ID.""" if identifier == actor.id: return [ActorKey(key_id=actor.publicKey.id, private_key=private_key)] return [] # --- Server Initialization --- app = ActivityPubServer(apkit_config=AppConfig( actor_keys=get_keys_for_actor # Register the key retrieval function )) 5. In-Memory Storage and Cache To serve created activities, we need to store them somewhere. For simplicity, this example uses a basic in-memory dictionary as a store and a cache. In a production application, you would replace this with a persistent database (like SQLite or PostgreSQL) and a proper cache (like Redis). # main.py (continued) # --- In-memory Store and Cache --- ACTIVITY_STORE = {} # A simple dict to store created activities CACHE = {} # A cache for recently accessed activities CACHE_TTL = timedelta(minutes=5) # Cache expiration time (5 minutes) 6. Reminder Parsing and Sending Logic This is the core logic of our bot. The parse_reminder function uses a regular expression to extract the delay and message from a mention, and send_reminder schedules the notification. # main.py (continued) # --- Reminder Parsing Logic --- def parse_reminder(text: str) -> tuple[timedelta | None, str | None, str | None]: """Parses reminder text like '5m do something'.""" # ... (implementation omitted for brevity) # --- Reminder Sending Function --- async def send_reminder(ctx: Context, delay: timedelta, message: str, target_actor: APKitActor, original_note: Note): """Waits for a specified delay and then sends a reminder.""" logger.info(f"Scheduling reminder for {target_actor.id} in {delay}: '{message}'") await asyncio.sleep(delay.total_seconds()) # Asynchronously wait logger.info(f"Sending reminder to {target_actor.id}") # Create the reminder Note reminder_note = Note(...) # Wrap it in a Create activity reminder_create = Create(...) # Store the created activities ACTIVITY_STORE[reminder_note.id] = reminder_note ACTIVITY_STORE[reminder_create.id] = reminder_create # Send the activity to the target actor's inbox keys = await get_keys_for_actor(f"https://{HOST}/actor") await ctx.send(keys, target_actor, reminder_create) logger.info(f"Reminder sent to {target_actor.id}") 7. Endpoint Definitions We define the required ActivityPub endpoints. Since apkit is built on FastAPI, we can use standard FastAPI decorators. The main endpoints are: Webfinger: Allows users on other servers to discover the bot using an address like @user@host. This is a crucial first step for federation. /actor: Serves the bot's Actor object, which contains its profile information and public key. /inbox: The endpoint where the bot receives activities from other servers. apkit handles this route automatically, directing activities to the handlers we'll define in the next step. /outbox: A collection of the activities created by the bot. but this returns placeholder collection. /notes/{note_id} and /creates/{create_id}: Endpoints to serve specific objects created by the bot, allowing other servers to fetch them by their unique ID. Here is the code for defining these endpoints: # main.py (continued) # The inbox endpoint is handled by apkit automatically. app.inbox("/inbox") @app.webfinger() async def webfinger_endpoint(request: Request, acct: WebfingerResource) -> Response: """Handles Webfinger requests to make the bot discoverable.""" if not acct.url: # Handle resource queries like acct:user@host if acct.username == USER_ID and acct.host == HOST: link = WebfingerLink(rel="self", type="application/activity+json", href=actor.id) wf_result = WebfingerResult(subject=acct, links=[link]) return JSONResponse(wf_result.to_json(), media_type="application/jrd+json") else: # Handle resource queries using a URL if acct.url == f"https://{HOST}/actor": link = WebfingerLink(rel="self", type="application/activity+json", href=actor.id) wf_result = WebfingerResult(subject=acct, links=[link]) return JSONResponse(wf_result.to_json(), media_type="application/jrd+json") return JSONResponse({"message": "Not Found"}, status_code=404) @app.get("/actor") async def get_actor_endpoint(): """Serves the bot's Actor object.""" return ActivityResponse(actor) @app.get("/outbox") async def get_outbox_endpoint(): """Serves a collection of the bot's sent activities.""" items = sorted(ACTIVITY_STORE.values(), key=lambda x: x.id, reverse=True) outbox_collection = OrderedCollection( id=actor.outbox, totalItems=len(items), orderedItems=items ) return ActivityResponse(outbox_collection) @app.get("/notes/{note_id}") async def get_note_endpoint(note_id: uuid.UUID): """Serves a specific Note object, with caching.""" note_uri = f"https://{HOST}/notes/{note_id}" # Check cache first if note_uri in CACHE and (datetime.now() - CACHE[note_uri]["timestamp"]) < CACHE_TTL: return ActivityResponse(CACHE[note_uri]["activity"]) # If not in cache, get from store if note_uri in ACTIVITY_STORE: activity = ACTIVITY_STORE[note_uri] # Add to cache before returning CACHE[note_uri] = {"activity": activity, "timestamp": datetime.now()} return ActivityResponse(activity) return Response(status_code=404) # Not Found @app.get("/creates/{create_id}") async def get_create_endpoint(create_id: uuid.UUID): """Serves a specific Create activity, with caching.""" create_uri = f"https://{HOST}/creates/{create_id}" if create_uri in CACHE and (datetime.now() - CACHE[create_uri]["timestamp"]) < CACHE_TTL: return ActivityResponse(CACHE[create_uri]["activity"]) if create_uri in ACTIVITY_STORE: activity = ACTIVITY_STORE[create_uri] CACHE[create_uri] = {"activity": activity, "timestamp": datetime.now()} return ActivityResponse(activity) return Response(status_code=404) 8. Activity Handlers We use the @app.on() decorator to define handlers for specific activity types posted to our inbox. on_follow_activity: Automatically accepts Follow requests. on_create_activity: Parses incoming Create activities (specifically for Note objects) to schedule reminders. # main.py (continued) # Handler for Follow activities @app.on(Follow) async def on_follow_activity(ctx: Context): """Automatically accepts follow requests.""" # ... (implementation omitted for brevity) # Handler for Create activities @app.on(Create) async def on_create_activity(ctx: Context): """Parses mentions to schedule reminders.""" activity = ctx.activity # Ignore if it's not a Note if not (isinstance(activity, Create) and isinstance(activity.object, Note)): return Response(status_code=202) note = activity.object # Check if the bot was mentioned is_mentioned = any( isinstance(tag, Mention) and tag.href == actor.id for tag in (note.tag or []) ) if not is_mentioned: return Response(status_code=202) # ... (Parse reminder text) delay, message, time_str = parse_reminder(command_text) # If parsing is successful, schedule the reminder as a background task if delay and message and sender_actor: asyncio.create_task(send_reminder(ctx, delay, message, sender_actor, note)) reply_content = f"<p>✅ OK! I will remind you in {time_str}.</p>" else: # If parsing fails, send usage instructions reply_content = "<p>🤔 Sorry, I didn\'t understand. Please use the format: `@reminder [time] [message]`.</p><p>Example: `@reminder 10m Check the oven`</p>" # ... (Create and send the reply Note) 9. Running the Application Finally, we run the application using uvicorn. # main.py (continued) if __name__ == "__main__": import uvicorn logger.info("Starting uvicorn server...") uvicorn.run(app, host="0.0.0.0", port=8000) How to Run the Bot Set the HOST and USER_ID variables in main.py to match your environment. Run the server from your terminal: uvicorn main:app --host 0.0.0.0 --port 8000 Your bot will be running at http://0.0.0.0:8000. Now you can mention your bot from anywhere in the Fediverse (e.g., @reminder@your.host.com) to set a reminder. Next Steps This tutorial covers the basics of creating a simple ActivityPub bot. Since it only uses in-memory storage, all reminders will be lost on server restart. Here are some potential improvements: Persistent Storage: Replace the in-memory ACTIVITY_STORE with a database like SQLite or PostgreSQL. Robust Task Queuing: Use a dedicated task queue like Celery with a Redis or RabbitMQ broker to ensure reminders are not lost if the server restarts. Advanced Commands: Add support for more complex commands, such as recurring reminders. We hope this guide serves as a good starting point for building your own ActivityPub applications! https://fedi-libs.github.io/apkit/ https://github.com/fedi-libs/apkit https://github.com/AmaseCocoa/activitypub-reminder-bot
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    Hello #Fediverse and Happy New Year!I'd like to mark the start of 2025 with the first message from my self-hosted instance. You may already know me as @_elena@mastodon.social. Well, now I also run my own #ActivityPub microblogging server, thanks to the magic of #YunoHost and #GoToSocial (and #Phanpy, which I'm using to compose this).I registered this domain – aseachange.com – a looooong time ago but never did anything with it. It was the very first domain name I ever bought, even before securing elenarossini.com (!!!). It was so long ago, but I remember I was inspired by Beck's album Sea Change. seachange[dot]com was taken, so I grabbed Aseachange.I absolutely love its meaning of profound transformation and I think it's PERFECT for my self-hosted #Fediverse instance and what it represents: independence, empowerment and digital sovereignty.Ever since setting it up, I've been feeling joyful and hopeful. Everytime I look at myself in the mirror, I think: I'm in control of my own social media platform. And it feels SOOO GOOD.What do I have in store for 2025? I plan to use this account to post messages about #selfhosting, learning #Linux, privacy and digital sovereignty.I will also keep posting from my Mastodon account because you don't give a Lamborghini to someone who just passed their driver's license. I barely know what I'm doing here, so I feel a lot safer (for now) keeping my mastodon.social account as well... In case anything goes wrong here. Better safe than sorry!So, this is my #Introduction and if you've read as far as here I just want to thank the Fediverse for being so amazing and allowing me to connect with people on my own terms. And thank you Fedi people for being so generous and supportive with your superb advice and kind words.This is a really magical, special place.Happy New Year, everyone!