When did you last have a spiritual experience?
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@evan I am interested in seeing your definition of a spiritual experience after the poll is over. I was thinking of a sense of wonder and contentment - and unfortunately it's been too long.
@dneary honestly, understanding what a "spiritual experience" is, and how often they occur, is a pretty big part of why I asked this question.
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Asking many people, I've never had a description of what they mean by “spiritual experience” that puts it outside the bounds of a physiological + mental experience.
This might be because people sadly underestimate what range of experiences our minds and bodies are capable of generating, and insist there must be some “spirit” separate from the mind and body.
I have much greater respect for minds and bodies than that, to ever need to invent a distinct spiritual realm.
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Asking many people, I've never had a description of what they mean by “spiritual experience” that puts it outside the bounds of a physiological + mental experience.
This might be because people sadly underestimate what range of experiences our minds and bodies are capable of generating, and insist there must be some “spirit” separate from the mind and body.
I have much greater respect for minds and bodies than that, to ever need to invent a distinct spiritual realm.
@bignose So, question for you: could you have a *spiritual* experience that is not a *supernatural* experience?
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@evan Never
I'm not sure why "never" is unimportant to you.
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@evan Never
I'm not sure why "never" is unimportant to you.
@BobCollins I'm not sure either!
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What a great poll! Thanks to everyone who replied and responded.
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What a great poll! Thanks to everyone who replied and responded.
I would say about a day. I think I have a more lax definition of "spiritual experience" than some of the commenters, many of whom excluded any that weren't related to the supernatural.
For me, I think that moments of gratitude and appreciation, wonder, and especially awareness of scale in time and space are spiritual experiences. Sunsets, great music, good meals with loved ones, the total eclipse, thinking in terms of my full life, growing plants all feel like spiritual experiences to me.
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I would say about a day. I think I have a more lax definition of "spiritual experience" than some of the commenters, many of whom excluded any that weren't related to the supernatural.
For me, I think that moments of gratitude and appreciation, wonder, and especially awareness of scale in time and space are spiritual experiences. Sunsets, great music, good meals with loved ones, the total eclipse, thinking in terms of my full life, growing plants all feel like spiritual experiences to me.
I liked Virginia Woolf's idea of "Moments of Being" in her essay with the same title.
https://www.nytimes.com/1976/11/14/archives/moments-of-being-the-guest-word.html
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I liked Virginia Woolf's idea of "Moments of Being" in her essay with the same title.
https://www.nytimes.com/1976/11/14/archives/moments-of-being-the-guest-word.html
I think there's also a case for intentional spiritual practices. I have a daily meditation practice which is a big part, for me, of feeling that gratitude and perspective.
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I think there's also a case for intentional spiritual practices. I have a daily meditation practice which is a big part, for me, of feeling that gratitude and perspective.
For people who feel like these experiences that I am describing don't qualify as "spiritual", that's ok. I hope you are getting moments of gratitude and awareness, and that you cultivate those moments, even if you might give them a different name.
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For people who feel like these experiences that I am describing don't qualify as "spiritual", that's ok. I hope you are getting moments of gratitude and awareness, and that you cultivate those moments, even if you might give them a different name.
@evan good on you for trying to translate these feelings into language— it is an essential part of literature, and it’s a big part of why I thought Michael Foster’s vocation was so tremendously difficult. I wonder how we can ever bridge the gap between the hyper rational world of computing and humanity
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@evan good on you for trying to translate these feelings into language— it is an essential part of literature, and it’s a big part of why I thought Michael Foster’s vocation was so tremendously difficult. I wonder how we can ever bridge the gap between the hyper rational world of computing and humanity
@swart I think for a lot of people the idea of spiritual experiences or practices feels very weighted. Multiple people on the thread mentioned having their morning cup of coffee as a spiritual experience, which I thought was great. So, I think there's a lot of variance in expectations.
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@swart I think for a lot of people the idea of spiritual experiences or practices feels very weighted. Multiple people on the thread mentioned having their morning cup of coffee as a spiritual experience, which I thought was great. So, I think there's a lot of variance in expectations.
@evan I guess I was thinking more in line with psychedelics but ymmv 😆
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I liked Virginia Woolf's idea of "Moments of Being" in her essay with the same title.
https://www.nytimes.com/1976/11/14/archives/moments-of-being-the-guest-word.html
For those (like me) allergic to NYTimes links here's from Wikipedia:
As described by Woolf, 'moments of being' are moments in which an individual experiences a sense of reality, in contrast to the states of 'non-being' that dominate most of an individual's conscious life, in which they are separated from reality by a protective covering. Moments of being could be a result of instances of shock, discovery, or revelation.Is that the gist, @evan ?
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For those (like me) allergic to NYTimes links here's from Wikipedia:
As described by Woolf, 'moments of being' are moments in which an individual experiences a sense of reality, in contrast to the states of 'non-being' that dominate most of an individual's conscious life, in which they are separated from reality by a protective covering. Moments of being could be a result of instances of shock, discovery, or revelation.Is that the gist, @evan ?
@RMiddleton the book is available on archive.org too:
https://archive.org/details/momentsofbeing00wool/page/n237/mode/1up
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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this is the computer i'm trying to revive btw
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alright, round one of upgrading old LTS ubuntu studio to slightly less old LTS ubuntu studio complete, and the computer is still operable! now for round two 😎
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@vaporeon_ I used to main gentoo, but that was probably around 2005 give or take. The main thing I remember is foss project maintainers tend to get really annoyed when you report bugs that were caused by building with -O3 😅
I don't mind having multi day long compilation jobs to install or update packages, I know to plan accordingly. I wouldn't mind pointers on how to get the most out of modern gentoo though.
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Va in scena la tragica epopea. Carrara – Teatro Politeama e speculazioni edilizie
@anarchia
Il Teatro Politeama di Carrara rappresenta la città in molteplici aspetti, intrecciando con essa vizi e virtù, propulsioni positive sia politiche che artistiche, ma condividendone anche aspetti di malaffare per gente senza scrupoli, nell’eterna lotta tra interessi
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@aeva Good luck! (Let me know if you want any advice, I like talking about Gentoo, I don't know whether you've installed Gentoo before or not and I don't want to be condescending by explaining things that you already know)
In case it helps, I followed this article to set up building binary packages on the faster machine and installing them on the slower machine: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Binary_Host_Quickstart
Problem is that that requires an existing Gentoo machine, though... Or doing some stuff with Docker on a machine that runs some other distro, I guess
But compiling on a Core 2 Duo itself is 100% possible if you're OK with letting big compiles (like Clang and GCC) run overnight
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@DarioZanette oddio ecco cosa mi ricordava il tuo nome🤣🤣🤣
Mi sono sposata e trasferita a Sarzana, un'attività come quella non ha più senso (o associ vendita o noleggio, solo riparazioni dopo la pandemia è diventato un casino con i costi) ma dopo un po' di distacco ora mi è tornata la voglia di fare qualcosa...
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La nuova guerra europea alla privacy: ChatControl violerà i diritti fondamentali
In teoria, Chat Control avrebbe dovuto essere sepolto il mese scorso. Il minaccioso piano dell'UE di scansionare in massa i messaggi privati dei cittadini ha incontrato una schiacciante resistenza pubblica in Germania, con il governo del paese che si è rifiutato di approvarlo. Ma Bruxelles raramente si tira indietro solo perché i cittadini lo chiedono. E così, fedele alla sua forma, una versione rielaborata del testo è già in fase di elaborazione, questa volta nascosta, a porte chiuse.
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@vaporeon_ I don't mind the idea of potentially running gentoo on this machine though
