Does the open web require competitive markets?
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Here's the main point, though: Mozilla is supposed to be somewhat purpose-driven. Its goals and mission are somewhat laid out in the Mozilla Manifesto. In particular, it supports an open and accessible Internet.
I personally think that participating in an anti-competitive business practice that a court has found hurts American (and assumably also global) consumers and other businesses is not compatible with that purpose. I don't think that humans flourish in systems dominated by monopolies that use their power to extend those monopolies. Neither have most economists since about 1875.
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I personally think that participating in an anti-competitive business practice that a court has found hurts American (and assumably also global) consumers and other businesses is not compatible with that purpose. I don't think that humans flourish in systems dominated by monopolies that use their power to extend those monopolies. Neither have most economists since about 1875.
If Mozilla is really purpose-driven, I think the number one goal of the organization should be getting out of the monopoly headlock it's in right now. It should find another buyer for its search engine placement service, and it should diversify its revenue to get the business on a firm footing that doesn't keep governments from enforcing competitive markets.
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If Mozilla is really purpose-driven, I think the number one goal of the organization should be getting out of the monopoly headlock it's in right now. It should find another buyer for its search engine placement service, and it should diversify its revenue to get the business on a firm footing that doesn't keep governments from enforcing competitive markets.
I think "the open web" is by definition a multi-polar environment where many service providers, software creators, and platforms interact using interoperable standards. I think the "open" in "open web" requires multiple actors; a single company cannot be "open" with itself.
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I think "the open web" is by definition a multi-polar environment where many service providers, software creators, and platforms interact using interoperable standards. I think the "open" in "open web" requires multiple actors; a single company cannot be "open" with itself.
I'm honestly surprised to see so many "No" answers to this question. From the anti-commercial replies, I think at least some of the No's come from a concentration on the word "markets" rather on the word "competitive". I think the economic definition of a "market" encompasses non-commercial services and products. But maybe I should have found some wording that doesn't make people hit the "I HATE COMPANIES" button so hard.
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Does the open web require competitive markets?
@evan I answered no because I believe that markets themselves concentrate capital into the hands of monopolies and systematically eliminate the very characteristics that define an open society.
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I'm honestly surprised to see so many "No" answers to this question. From the anti-commercial replies, I think at least some of the No's come from a concentration on the word "markets" rather on the word "competitive". I think the economic definition of a "market" encompasses non-commercial services and products. But maybe I should have found some wording that doesn't make people hit the "I HATE COMPANIES" button so hard.
I also think it's catastrophically bad to think that only computer manufacturers, mobile phone makers, domain registrars, hosting providers, and terrestrial and mobile ISPs should be allowed to get paid for providing Internet services. Many people who spend hundreds or thousands of dollars a year to get access to the Web are reluctant to chip in $20 for their Mastodon server.
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I also think it's catastrophically bad to think that only computer manufacturers, mobile phone makers, domain registrars, hosting providers, and terrestrial and mobile ISPs should be allowed to get paid for providing Internet services. Many people who spend hundreds or thousands of dollars a year to get access to the Web are reluctant to chip in $20 for their Mastodon server.
But that's beside the point. I don't think that monopolies are compatible with an open web, and those of us who believe in the open web should carefully consider whether our work encourages or discourages anti-competitive practices.
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@evan I answered no because I believe that markets themselves concentrate capital into the hands of monopolies and systematically eliminate the very characteristics that define an open society.
@burnoutqueen That's why governments have intervened in markets for the last century and a half: to prevent anti-competitive behaviour and discourage monopolies.
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@burnoutqueen That's why governments have intervened in markets for the last century and a half: to prevent anti-competitive behaviour and discourage monopolies.
@evan oligopolies are not fundamentally different from monopolies
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@evan oligopolies are not fundamentally different from monopolies
@burnoutqueen You are correct!
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@evan I'd say yes, we need competition and regulation.
@leanderlindahl Me too.
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But that's beside the point. I don't think that monopolies are compatible with an open web, and those of us who believe in the open web should carefully consider whether our work encourages or discourages anti-competitive practices.
I should probably note that I've been a Mozilla donor and product user for years. I use Vivaldi for my daily-drive browsing, because they support the Fediverse, and Mozilla does not. But I still use Mozilla's VPN (it's pretty good), and I think Mozilla holds an important place in the Web ecosystem.
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But that's beside the point. I don't think that monopolies are compatible with an open web, and those of us who believe in the open web should carefully consider whether our work encourages or discourages anti-competitive practices.
@evan I think a lot more depends on how one interprets this question... "Does the open web require competitive markets?"
and I see how one can interpret that to mean monopolistic from a 'no' answer, but i think of this more as the internet to not be a place to buy and sell stuff. In fact to be a place for information and exchange of communication, in that sense then market is not needed for an open web. -
@evan I think a lot more depends on how one interprets this question... "Does the open web require competitive markets?"
and I see how one can interpret that to mean monopolistic from a 'no' answer, but i think of this more as the internet to not be a place to buy and sell stuff. In fact to be a place for information and exchange of communication, in that sense then market is not needed for an open web.@marxistvegan Does the fact that the Wikipedia article for competition was linked in the poll suggest that the emphasis was more on competition than on markets?
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