Should Fediverse interfaces that have a "Like" button also have a "Dislike" button?
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@evan My Gramma woulda said 'keep yo mouth shut!'.
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@evan Consumating had thumbs down, people abused it
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@evan No, but random emoji responses would be cool (a la Slack & Zulip)
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@evan ActivityStreams supports the DislikeAction, but ActivityPub does not. We are leaving so much on the table.
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@evan ActivityStreams supports the DislikeAction, but ActivityPub does not. We are leaving so much on the table.
@phaysis ActivityPub supports any kind of activity. It just defines side effects for a subset of the Activity Vocabulary types. But you can send other types through the network.
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@evan No, but random emoji responses would be cool (a la Slack & Zulip)
@wcbdata including thumbs down? And other negative responses?
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@evan Consumating had thumbs down, people abused it
@benbrown Reddit has downvote and it's a pretty essential part of their system.
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@phaysis ActivityPub supports any kind of activity. It just defines side effects for a subset of the Activity Vocabulary types. But you can send other types through the network.
@evan Ah right, fair. Didn't see a spec for the DislikeCollection so I assumed it couldn't support dislikes, but implementations can be extended at-will with undefined side-effects, heh.
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@evan Ah right, fair. Didn't see a spec for the DislikeCollection so I assumed it couldn't support dislikes, but implementations can be extended at-will with undefined side-effects, heh.
@phaysis we don't have a spec for the `dislikes` collection! That's correct.
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@evan variety and optionality are what I'm here for. I don't need a dislike button on Mastodon, but I might want it in a different social context.
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@evan Human reactions are rarely binary, so no.
If I understand a star correctly, it means 'you are seen/heard' and not 'like'. -
@evan Human reactions are rarely binary, so no.
If I understand a star correctly, it means 'you are seen/heard' and not 'like'. -
@evan Thanks for the pointer, until now I never read the spec.. Good to know.
I guess I'm using it wrong then :) -
@evan Thanks for the pointer, until now I never read the spec.. Good to know.
I guess I'm using it wrong then :)@po3mah NBD. It's definitely open to interpretation!
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@po3mah NBD. It's definitely open to interpretation!
@evan actually, we need 4 of them:
like
like, but...
dislike
dislike, but...
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@evan actually, we need 4 of them:
like
like, but...
dislike
dislike, but...
:)@po3mah this guy gets it
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Thanks to everyone who replied.
I am a Yes, but. I think downvote/dislike buttons are a great distributed moderation tool. Many of the microaggressions (and not-so-micro aggressions) that make social networks difficult could be helped a lot by peer moderation.
The "but" is that it is hard to implement well, and hard to ensure that mobs don't silence important but unpopular voices.
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@evan So I said "no" but I should have said "no, but".
I don't understand the purpose of there being a favorite button at all, there's no algorithm so number of likes and dislikes doesn't change anything.
So my "no, but" is that they shouldn't have a favorite button either. They should encourage people to boost things, since that's how the "algorithm" works here -- favoriting something doesn't help other people find it so it is a placebo that gets in the way of actually spreading cool stuff.
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Thanks to everyone who replied.
I am a Yes, but. I think downvote/dislike buttons are a great distributed moderation tool. Many of the microaggressions (and not-so-micro aggressions) that make social networks difficult could be helped a lot by peer moderation.
The "but" is that it is hard to implement well, and hard to ensure that mobs don't silence important but unpopular voices.
@evan I think there is a required level of common understanding needed to really have like/dislike, upvote/downvote, or agree/disagree be usable without being abused - it doesn't translate well across online sub-cultures without some careful UX thinking and knowing your user community.
It works on Ravelry, which uses "Agree/Disagree" but there are two essentials there that I have not seen anywhere else: /con't
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@evan I see how that makes sense and that sounds like it could unburden people in some ways. I worry about a sort of mob mentality too that might not give legitimate comments a chance... seems like something I've seen happen on Reddit occasionally. Maybe the trade-off in risk would be worth it. Maybe there's also a distinction in having such a button on replies to a post versus having it on the original post.
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@owlyph A dislike button, on the other hand, gives instant, distributed, low-friction feedback. It shifts the effort from the OP to the community, and it gives the OP a sense of collective support: "We all know why this sucks."
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@owlyph I think the key use case is a popular post with a lot of comments. Many of the responses will be bad -- mansplaining, hostile, etc. Without a dislike button, the original poster or another commenter has to reply to the post, explaining for the umpteenth time why mansplaining is unacceptable (or whatever). This puts the conversation into a he-said-she-said mode, where the OP has to argue for why the behaviour is wrong.
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