LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers.
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
It's so wonderful to see such faith in the quality of the average human-written code!
But every time I look at Coverity (an excellent static analyzer for finding difficult bugs) I see their "defect density over time" graph which has the "OSS average" set at 0.5 (presumably per 1000 LOC).
Whenever I added new code, I could not get it to stay at 0.0, whether it was my code, other humans or AI. I had to rely on Coverity to determine the errors and fix them (now also AI's job).
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@muod @danirabbit A stolen tool that kills a non-trivial fraction of a polar bear every time it's used, that is sold by a man who constantly lies about its capabilities.
@rupert @danirabbit yes Agreed!
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit LLM for SW-Engineering = Creating technical debt on steroids ...
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit AIsbestos
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@thepwnicorn @danirabbit "aisbestos" is my current favourite. It certainly is. A wonder-product to cure all our problems now. It won't take as long as asbestos for it to be revealed as an awful idea though.
I'm sure it'll be harder for big ai to hide it than for big asbestos who spent years suppressing science, lobbying governments and denying victims' claims.
Pliny the younger wrote of the illness of asbestos mine workers and he's so old he's in history books. He even wrote about history before it had been invented. Probably because it was the present when he wrote. However we still put asbestos in everything we could in the twentieth century.
@securedllama @thepwnicorn @danirabbit lead pipes, asbestos, pfas... it mostly all fits either way. 🧟
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@danirabbit LLM is just tool. Thats all!
@muod@mastodon.social so was lead, used because it was cheap and easy to form, despite knowing the dangers
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit unfortunately, it's the few powerful, and possibly non-techie, CXOs who are so convinced that this is such a great idea. The rest of us have little choice but to go along with this hysteria just to keep our jobs.
To be honest, the economics doesn't make sense to me. The amounts being spent on this — I am struggling to see the returns. Only time can tell a few stories. But until then, I need to feed my family and send my kids to college.
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@danirabbit That's the time frame I considered, decades. Furthermore, there will be advances with the technology. In some years LeCun plans to have his startup produce new models, based on JEPA. If you give even a 10-20% more reliability to current systems people will eventually adopt them as undisputable truth - even if they fail a 50% of times, and bias users 90% of times.
I've had a talk right yesterday with a very smart engineer who was anyway totally enchanted by an LLM's results.@luc0x61 @danirabbit my experience today was another example of why you should have prod and dev separated.
Asked to test entry. Test succesful, entry removed 😂
The other was implementing smtp, and it sent all test emails to logs succesfully. Yup
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit why would anyone care about code quality, if code is a commodity?
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit For decades we’ve worried about replacing COBOL because the code was often opaque; the underlying business rules transformed into a spaghetti bowl of logic paths exacerbated by the REDEFINES clauses making the data just as awful.
The folks that considered leaving COBOL in place as an acceptable technology choice will buy into vibe-code slop and proclaim (still) “it ain’t broke so there’s no need to fix it.”
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@danirabbit I'm a bit curious how ElementaryOS (well, you lot 😄) are coping with upstream vibecoding if and when it happens?
I have no bright ideas, to be honest - so consider this my copium asking more knowledgable people 😊.
@tofticles not well, personally haha
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@tofticles not well, personally haha
@danirabbit Absolutely fair 🫣.
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@danirabbit I saw it described elsewhere as digital asbestos.
@thepwnicorn @danirabbit Lead pipes: victims are the users. Asbestos: victims are the workers. Who will suffer the most because of AI code, workers or users?
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
Still watching… Reliable code had very high value before LLMs came into picture and suddenly everyone became okay with mistakes 🤷♂️
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit as long as someone doesn't beat us to death with it first
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit@mastodon.online we have been on this path for a very long time LLM generated code is just the most obvious example. The problem that drove us here is that quality doesn't really show on a quarterly report and the ones businesses are bound to keep happy are the ones owning shares. And they want number go up.
Good code happened anyway because people cared. LLMs makes that harder because people think that engineers can output more if they get help with the writing part. That gives less time to "guerilla write" good code. -
LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit asbestos -
LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
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Screw lead, this shit is Orangeburg and Transite. It collapses under its own weight -
@danirabbit LLM for SW-Engineering = Creating technical debt on steroids ...
@Larvitz @danirabbit says the person with a ai-generated pfp...
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit oh damn that's a great analogy 🔥
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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I referendum costituzionali non prevedono un quorum, it's the law.
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@jwz It's loonies all the way down 🤦
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@landelare @kertinker as it happens, Windows is the really weird one for GL
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@xyla Such a rule breaker. I would follow the rules and just use a knife.
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This story just makes me sad all over again that we never got a third season of Impulse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWLCtREegLQ
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@stefano That golden antenna in the middle looks really exotic 😄
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@aeva @kertinker This crap is why I'm using DirectX.
