LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers.
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit unfortunately, it's the few powerful, and possibly non-techie, CXOs who are so convinced that this is such a great idea. The rest of us have little choice but to go along with this hysteria just to keep our jobs.
To be honest, the economics doesn't make sense to me. The amounts being spent on this — I am struggling to see the returns. Only time can tell a few stories. But until then, I need to feed my family and send my kids to college.
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@danirabbit That's the time frame I considered, decades. Furthermore, there will be advances with the technology. In some years LeCun plans to have his startup produce new models, based on JEPA. If you give even a 10-20% more reliability to current systems people will eventually adopt them as undisputable truth - even if they fail a 50% of times, and bias users 90% of times.
I've had a talk right yesterday with a very smart engineer who was anyway totally enchanted by an LLM's results.@luc0x61 @danirabbit my experience today was another example of why you should have prod and dev separated.
Asked to test entry. Test succesful, entry removed 😂
The other was implementing smtp, and it sent all test emails to logs succesfully. Yup
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit why would anyone care about code quality, if code is a commodity?
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit For decades we’ve worried about replacing COBOL because the code was often opaque; the underlying business rules transformed into a spaghetti bowl of logic paths exacerbated by the REDEFINES clauses making the data just as awful.
The folks that considered leaving COBOL in place as an acceptable technology choice will buy into vibe-code slop and proclaim (still) “it ain’t broke so there’s no need to fix it.”
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@danirabbit I'm a bit curious how ElementaryOS (well, you lot 😄) are coping with upstream vibecoding if and when it happens?
I have no bright ideas, to be honest - so consider this my copium asking more knowledgable people 😊.
@tofticles not well, personally haha
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@tofticles not well, personally haha
@danirabbit Absolutely fair 🫣.
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@danirabbit I saw it described elsewhere as digital asbestos.
@thepwnicorn @danirabbit Lead pipes: victims are the users. Asbestos: victims are the workers. Who will suffer the most because of AI code, workers or users?
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
Still watching… Reliable code had very high value before LLMs came into picture and suddenly everyone became okay with mistakes 🤷♂️
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit as long as someone doesn't beat us to death with it first
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit@mastodon.online we have been on this path for a very long time LLM generated code is just the most obvious example. The problem that drove us here is that quality doesn't really show on a quarterly report and the ones businesses are bound to keep happy are the ones owning shares. And they want number go up.
Good code happened anyway because people cared. LLMs makes that harder because people think that engineers can output more if they get help with the writing part. That gives less time to "guerilla write" good code. -
LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit asbestos -
LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit
Screw lead, this shit is Orangeburg and Transite. It collapses under its own weight -
@danirabbit LLM for SW-Engineering = Creating technical debt on steroids ...
@Larvitz @danirabbit says the person with a ai-generated pfp...
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit oh damn that's a great analogy 🔥
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit Yet another thing our age shares with the end of the Roman Empire.
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@thepwnicorn @danirabbit Lead pipes: victims are the users. Asbestos: victims are the workers. Who will suffer the most because of AI code, workers or users?
@ThibaultDu
Both. This is perhaps radium, then...
@thepwnicorn @danirabbit -
LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit - And I personally plan to charge through the nose for it.
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit More like Asbestos. Big chunks will be chopped out expensively by very specialised people but small fibres will always remain and will cause big problems with a very small probability
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit Recently we were discussing if it's more like asbestos or like plastic (and microplastics). How much thought should be put into stuff like this before it's rolled out globally? Can we simply go ahead and try to fix the problems later?
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LLM code is the lead pipe of our generation of software engineers. They’re going to be replacing it for decades and wondering how we were so foolish
@danirabbit definitely keeping my "free range, organic" coding in good health in the meantime!
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