@daniel Do you know if there is a XEP to send web push notifications from an XMPP server?

[s1m@infosec.exchange]

@daniel But we're far from this situation. The current status is great 👍

[s1m@infosec.exchange]

@daniel Was the discussion about Push Notifications 2.0 XEP public? It would great having a link to follow the process

https://codeberg.org/UnifiedPush/wishlist/issues/35

[daniel@gultsch.social]

@S1m public in the sense that it was discussed during the 2023 summit.

Notes from the summit https://pad.nixnet.services/oy6MKVbESSycLeMJIOh6zw#

And here is some work on the spec https://pad.nixnet.services/TRjHpDkUSrep9jqzcjY0uw (but as I said my proposal to use WebPush was sort of rejected so this link doesn't mention WebPush)

[s1m@infosec.exchange]

@daniel Hm, too bad they don't want to rely on existing standards

This could relieve the client developer from needing to run a gateway for e.g. web apps (you still need one for APNS/FCM due to the credentials).

Moreover, it seems to have been rejected partly on a wrong assumption: FCM can be requested with web push. And I don't know for APNS, Apple has moved in this direction for installable web apps

[daniel@gultsch.social]

@S1m The FCM WebPush thing is understood. (I think at that time in 2023 I was only 90% sure that it would actually work in practice) it's maybe not totally clear in the notes but it was clear in the room.

[s1m@infosec.exchange]

@daniel OK, good to know.

I personally learned it at the end of 2023, after marvin added it to their gist: https://gist.github.com/mar-v-in/2a054e3a4c0a508656549fc7d0aaeb74/revisions

At this time, and yet today, it was widely assumed that a gateway to FCM was required

[daniel@gultsch.social]

@S1m yes. Marvin was in the room. We knew it should work in theory but hadn't conducted an end to end test yet.

[s1m@infosec.exchange]

@daniel OK, interesting. So it wasn't made on a wrong assumption then

[daniel@gultsch.social]

@S1m I will make my case for WebPush again if the topic comes up again (Maybe at the 2026 summit in 2 weeks).

[daniel@gultsch.social]

@S1m mobile distributions will likely also ship a default instant messaging application. Why not make that @dino and kill two birds with one stone?

Dino is already one of the go to IM applications on Linux on Mobile.