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@rompe
We actually received links to heated discussions about the project beyond what was visible here. It was taking a dimension we didn't anticipate. We preferred to shut it down rather than let it escalate further. -
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
@apps sounds like the right call from what I'm reading
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We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
@apps@toot.fedilab.app thats why fedi will always be niche. Anytime someone tries to improve something they are met with countless opposition.
People like to forget that before Bluesky, people tried to move here.
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@apps
It's saddening that users (well, *one* user if I counted correctly) are ok with Google and OpenAI harvesting their stuff but not a thoughtfully and respectfully designed project. -
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
@apps That reminds me - is there a FEP that extends the permissions system to make it granular per site? That would have solved one of the main concerns of people with your index (wanting to be searchable, but also wanting to limit which databases have the permission to index them and being able to revoke that permission retroactively) -
@apps That reminds me - is there a FEP that extends the permissions system to make it granular per site? That would have solved one of the main concerns of people with your index (wanting to be searchable, but also wanting to limit which databases have the permission to index them and being able to revoke that permission retroactively)@apps In the meanwhile, you might be interested in using OAuth as your opt-in mechanism
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We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
@apps
I'm really sad to see this happen. I thought it was a great project that respected users. -
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
@apps@toot.fedilab.app
Not sure if I see this as good or bad. My 2 cents: You might be the only one who is respecting any flag at the fediverse. I'm pretty sure big tech is scraping everything they can get from the fediverse. -
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
@apps I am sorry, I saw a glimpse and thought it was cool.
Remember, that sometimes the loud voices do not represent everyone here.
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@apps@toot.fedilab.app thats why fedi will always be niche. Anytime someone tries to improve something they are met with countless opposition.
People like to forget that before Bluesky, people tried to move here.
@tragivictoria @apps I'm trying to figure out what the objections really were. That stuff people post publically to fediverse servers was indexed? i can see robotic scraping of servers being problematic for instance owners, but how much privacy can we really expect in fediverse posts? its small and niche, it feels like a safe corner of a clubhouse, but its the internet, we need to remind our users that stuff isnt confidential and even that "disappearing" posts is only really cosmetic.
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@apps@toot.fedilab.app
Not sure if I see this as good or bad. My 2 cents: You might be the only one who is respecting any flag at the fediverse. I'm pretty sure big tech is scraping everything they can get from the fediverse. -
@tragivictoria @apps I'm trying to figure out what the objections really were. That stuff people post publically to fediverse servers was indexed? i can see robotic scraping of servers being problematic for instance owners, but how much privacy can we really expect in fediverse posts? its small and niche, it feels like a safe corner of a clubhouse, but its the internet, we need to remind our users that stuff isnt confidential and even that "disappearing" posts is only really cosmetic.
@Bredroll
@tragivictoria You're right, but since the indexable flag is enabled by default on most instances, it was more opt-out than opt-in. That said, it doesn't stop real scrapers like Google from displaying posts for days even after deletion. We thought we were offering a clean solution with instant deletion via ActivityPub, but we quickly realized many users weren't aware of their own default settings. That's a conversation the Fediverse still needs to have. -
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
@apps
From what I can see, you seem to be very aware of feedback and respectful towards user preferences, so here's my word of support. Even if your offered solutions sometimes do not persist, your heart is in the right place. -
@Bredroll
@tragivictoria You're right, but since the indexable flag is enabled by default on most instances, it was more opt-out than opt-in. That said, it doesn't stop real scrapers like Google from displaying posts for days even after deletion. We thought we were offering a clean solution with instant deletion via ActivityPub, but we quickly realized many users weren't aware of their own default settings. That's a conversation the Fediverse still needs to have.@apps is there actual data that supports the claim that " the indexable flag is enabled by default on most instances"? Working with starter packs recently, I know that a lot of people have the flag disabled by default and don't even know that they have to opt-in into that in order to have any meaningful presence.
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@Daojoan -- we're building on the web and the web only. all parts replaceable. doing it for real.
i don't think anyone hears this, but i've been writing software and writing about it on my blog for the last couple of years.
it takes a while to reboot things. hope people don't just miss the internet, but will help bring it back.
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Me lo aveva anticipato di persona LRNZ all’evento di Kenobit e non volevo crederci. Sono rimasto in silenzio fino ad oggi. Voi non avete idea dell’hype che provo in questo questo momento: https://btfree.social/pub/objects/01KJ5BXGFE4YPFPKSTZ1VA2H5M
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@pepsy mi interessano così poco che non mi interessa nemmeno il dilemma, sorbole
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@EUCommission я родом из Крыма и был рад тому, что до нас не доехал "поезд дружбы", который не сулил нам ничего хорошего, из-за того, что нам угрожали за то, что русская культура нам ближе.
Но вряд-ли кого-то из запада когда-либо интересовало чего хотел простой народ в Крыму
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Sto giocando di nuovo a un videogioco di quelli lunghi, dopo decenni dall'ultimo.
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@kipple (È sparita la risposta, ma mi ricordo che c'era scritto. Grazie davvero. Serve a tanto.)
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@EUCommission Actions speak louder than words. This reminds me of "thoughts and prayers".
