I needed a basic timer on Linux and so in installed gnome "clocks" via the program "software".
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@aeva I think it may come down to the biggest flaw in open source software - there is no unifying vision, devs do not really get to align goals with one another, it's just a bunch of people insulated from each other doing their own things and maybe posting in forums and mailing lists about it and arguing with each other.
Then again, Windows hasn't really felt like it has a unified design vision since like... 2000?
@pendell I disagree, this was a problem that was created by trying to have a unified vision (it's a gnome app using a gnome service and it works fine if you use gnome but i don't use gnome), and if it was designed to function well stand-alone it wouldn't have had this problem and wouldn't have required any broader coordination with anyone else's vision beyond the passive agreement that comes from using standard interfaces
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@pendell I disagree, this was a problem that was created by trying to have a unified vision (it's a gnome app using a gnome service and it works fine if you use gnome but i don't use gnome), and if it was designed to function well stand-alone it wouldn't have had this problem and wouldn't have required any broader coordination with anyone else's vision beyond the passive agreement that comes from using standard interfaces
@pendell consensus and community input are important for foundational systems (eg display, audio, network, date time, etc) so that essential functionality is stable and implemented well enough that the rest of the ecosystem can be built on it, but it's not really important whether or not Crazy Bob's Chronometer Bauble fits into some grand brand vision
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@aeva the dice roll in the middle of drowning suggests that it was mere luck that we reached an outcome where you could not tell if the gnome clock was worse. it could have just as well gone the other way, and in fact, had you been slightly more informed, you would have definitely obliterated my little piece of driftwood.
@lritter I could check after work if you want
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@lritter I could check after work if you want
@aeva go and hurt me! see if i care!
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@aeva go and hurt me! see if i care!
@lritter ok ok but you gotta wait until I'm off work
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@lritter ok ok but you gotta wait until I'm off work
@aeva i will insert a few hours of sleep here to prepare
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I needed a basic timer on Linux and so in installed gnome "clocks" via the program "software". This works fine for that purpose, but when you open it it greets you with the time in your "current location". It gives me new york for some reason and I do not live in new york, and my time zone is set as America/Chicago so I don't know how it came to that conclusion. Naturally there is no setting exposed to change this. What.
@aeva at least you're not ranting on wayland 😃
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@aeva i will insert a few hours of sleep here to prepare
@aeva i'm ready.
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@aeva i'm ready.
@lritter sorry i forgor
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@lritter sorry i forgor
@lritter and i gotta go to bed
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@lritter and i gotta go to bed
@aeva i guessed as much. well you know where you'll find me: in the ocean, travelling with the currents, on the most sturdy piece of tree the world has ever seen, ready for what's out there!
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@aeva i guessed as much. well you know where you'll find me: in the ocean, travelling with the currents, on the most sturdy piece of tree the world has ever seen, ready for what's out there!
@lritter hold on tight!
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I needed a basic timer on Linux and so in installed gnome "clocks" via the program "software". This works fine for that purpose, but when you open it it greets you with the time in your "current location". It gives me new york for some reason and I do not live in new york, and my time zone is set as America/Chicago so I don't know how it came to that conclusion. Naturally there is no setting exposed to change this. What.
@aeva My network gateway thinks I’m in the middle of a lake in Saskatchewan. 🤷♂️
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probably also worth noting: the purpose of the timer was I wanted to eat my lunch and draw a picture within 30 minutes, and because the application contained a timer and an irritating bonus distraction my lunch break ended up being eating my lunch and touching Linux. the idea might come back to me again but I don't remember what I wanted to draw
LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: you can only ever possibly have a need to have one timer active at a time
EDIT: pretend I'm on one of the cool mastodon instances where I can apply formatting to all my text and I used it to cross out the statement above
LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: it is extremely obvious that I would click a cross on the title bar to add a timer instead of close or maximize the window
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LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: you can only ever possibly have a need to have one timer active at a time
EDIT: pretend I'm on one of the cool mastodon instances where I can apply formatting to all my text and I used it to cross out the statement above
LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: it is extremely obvious that I would click a cross on the title bar to add a timer instead of close or maximize the window
the baffling location setting thing went away since I last opened this app, so that is progress at least
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LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: you can only ever possibly have a need to have one timer active at a time
EDIT: pretend I'm on one of the cool mastodon instances where I can apply formatting to all my text and I used it to cross out the statement above
LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: it is extremely obvious that I would click a cross on the title bar to add a timer instead of close or maximize the window
@aeva y̶o̶u̶-w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶n̶t̶-c̶r̶o̶s̶s̶-o̶u̶t̶-a̶-s̶t̶a̶t̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶
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LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: you can only ever possibly have a need to have one timer active at a time
EDIT: pretend I'm on one of the cool mastodon instances where I can apply formatting to all my text and I used it to cross out the statement above
LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: it is extremely obvious that I would click a cross on the title bar to add a timer instead of close or maximize the window
@aeva God, Gnome Clocks is so painful. I know Gnome as a whole has a reputation of "what if we brought bad phone UI to computer?" but Gnome Clocks is so out of the "Gnome UI Overton Window" that I'd imagine even the most staunch Gnomers would look at it with disappointment. Not even the worst Android clock apps are that bad.
I'm on KDE at home and their clock app is just... So good. It's no TimeR Machine but it allows multiple simultaneous timers, alarms, the whole shebang with nice clean UI.
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@aeva y̶o̶u̶-w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶n̶t̶-c̶r̶o̶s̶s̶-o̶u̶t̶-a̶-s̶t̶a̶t̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶
@rotopenguin more of a couldn't in @aeva 's case ;-)
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LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: you can only ever possibly have a need to have one timer active at a time
EDIT: pretend I'm on one of the cool mastodon instances where I can apply formatting to all my text and I used it to cross out the statement above
LIES PROGRAMMERS (who wrote the Gnome Clocks app) ALL BELIEVE PART 2: it is extremely obvious that I would click a cross on the title bar to add a timer instead of close or maximize the window
@aeva oh yeah, it's cool how the timer quietly sneaks the "+" into the title bar only after you have your first one running.
"You don't need this option at this exact moment, so we'll hide it." Once you do finally need it, *your prior knowledge of this interface is working against you*. Finding the new button is like proofreading your own writing - your internal model dominates your ability to take in what's in front of you.
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@aeva oh yeah, it's cool how the timer quietly sneaks the "+" into the title bar only after you have your first one running.
"You don't need this option at this exact moment, so we'll hide it." Once you do finally need it, *your prior knowledge of this interface is working against you*. Finding the new button is like proofreading your own writing - your internal model dominates your ability to take in what's in front of you.
@rotopenguin AMAZING!!!! I'M NOT CRAZY >:D
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