Should expatriate citizens of your country have the right to vote?
Uncategorized
92
Posts
30
Posters
11
Views
-
@DavidBHimself I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
And yes, I did lose my right to vote when I moved a couple of times, even as a resident+citizen of said location. That’s how our imperfect electoral system works. 😥
-
@evan I agree with @EricLawton -- "expatriate" is an imperial term. I see no confusion of terminology in his comment, quite the opposite.
In the context of the poll, "expatriate" was used about emigrants, not immigrants, but the point stands. The clearest term, if a bit long and pedantic, might have been "citizens who are not residents".
@clacke @EricLawton you should put that in your poll when you write it!
-
@DavidBHimself I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
And yes, I did lose my right to vote when I moved a couple of times, even as a resident+citizen of said location. That’s how our imperfect electoral system works. 😥
-
@DavidBHimself I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
And yes, I did lose my right to vote when I moved a couple of times, even as a resident+citizen of said location. That’s how our imperfect electoral system works. 😥
@EdwinG Still, I'm curious about what country made you lose your voting rights without stripping you of your citizenship.
-
@EdwinG Still, I'm curious about what country made you lose your voting rights without stripping you of your citizenship.
@DavidBHimself It's at the subnational level in Québec, Canada.
At the municipal level, there's a deadline to register on the list of electors - most on it. I moved between that deadline and election day. You cannot register on election day.
Knowing what I know today, I insist that people check that they're registered by the deadline :)
There's space for improvement.https://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/en/vote/can-you-vote/#municipal
-
@DavidBHimself What determiner should I have used instead?
The first person singular (my) didn't seem appropriate either 😅
-
@DavidBHimself It's at the subnational level in Québec, Canada.
At the municipal level, there's a deadline to register on the list of electors - most on it. I moved between that deadline and election day. You cannot register on election day.
Knowing what I know today, I insist that people check that they're registered by the deadline :)
There's space for improvement.https://www.electionsquebec.qc.ca/en/vote/can-you-vote/#municipal
@EdwinG So, this has nothing to do with changing countries.
-
@DavidBHimself What determiner should I have used instead?
The first person singular (my) didn't seem appropriate either 😅
@EdwinG "my" works. "our" implies that either you and I have the same (we don't) or that the whole world has the same (definitely not). Naming the country is probably the best option here.
-
@EdwinG So, this has nothing to do with changing countries.
@DavidBHimself Yeah, that specifically wasn't countries... I still couldn't vote for the people that would represent me.
It's my understanding that it used to be the case that Canadians would lose their national voting rights if they live abroad for over 5 years:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170719195520/http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=reg/etr&document=index&lang=eThat is no longer the case:
https://elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=reg/etr&document=index&lang=e#etr3 -
@DavidBHimself Yes, I agree that "expat" is a cringe term, especially because it's used to differentiate "white" emigrants from regular emigrants
But I'm not generalizing; I'm just observing that the vast majority of emigrants from my country disproportionately favor centrist and center-right parties, and I don't like that. No, I don't believe in democracy.
-
@evan I would say no.
My rationale: Who am I as a resident and citizen of another country to decide what the residents of my other citizenship country wish/want. I don’t pay taxes there, I don’t participate in their active life, etc. For all intents and purposes, they are foreigners
-
@evan No, but countries should be abolished anyways so this shouldn't matter.
-
@evan given it's nigh on impossible to renounce US citizenship and stop paying taxes.
The argument is that the rich would flee the country.
To which I ask, for where?
The Emirates? Where citizenship is bought and can be removed at the whim of a royal? To China, where the Politburo understands you keep the rich on the shortest of leashes? To the UK, who opened their doors to Russian gangsters who shiv, poison, and defenestrate?
-
@evan no, but all people resident in an area should be able to vote (which is almost true in Scotland except for prisoners and Westminster elections)
-
-
@evan I’m a Brazilian immigrant* and not only we can but we have to - vote is mandatory in Brazil. I only need to vote in presidential elections though.
* expat is a problematic word
-
@evan though only in national elections, not local ones.
-
@evan I’m a Brazilian immigrant* and not only we can but we have to - vote is mandatory in Brazil. I only need to vote in presidential elections though.
* expat is a problematic word
@fabio say "emigrant" then. If you're living outside of Brazil, you're not an immigrant to Brazil.
-
@evan I like how Germany does things. Not only can Germans who live abroad vote, European (non-German) citizens can also vote in Germany for local parliaments. They can also vote in the European Parliament elections.
I would love it if non-European citizens living in Germany had the same possibility. I also think it would be good if they could vote at state level.
-
@fabio say "emigrant" then. If you're living outside of Brazil, you're not an immigrant to Brazil.
@evan Good point!
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
-
@tarta non valeva molto la sua anima
Il governo pesa le anime
E una farfalla anche bellissima, non pesa molto
Al mercato del pesce vendono e comprano a peso
Non amano chi la pensa diversamente
Segui le leggi del mercato, dicono
Non conviene, non t'impicciare, chi te lo fa fare
Una farfalla è passata e non c'è più, e chi non l'ha vista non sa
Che era bellissima
-
@spencexyz You can see the calendar here:
https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/socialcg/calendar/
There are meeting notes here:
-
@renata @mayintoronto @fabio So, when you're in Brazil, how do you talk about brasileiros no externo ? I think it's a pretty big population, about 5m people? That's a big percentage of the total citizenship, around 200m, right? Is it an identity that you embrace, or do you mostly say "I live in Canada" or "I'm Canadian"?
-
Question for Chinese speakers.
What do you call
1) your husband's mom
2) your husband's dad
3) wife's mom
4) wife's dad
5) grandma and grandpa (moms parents)
6) grandma and grandpa (dads parents)Bonus points for aunts and uncles too on both sides.
I'm getting blown away by the differences and I'm not sure if some people are mistaken because they're born afar like I am or if there really are that many differences.
Let me know your region and dialect too.
-
@evan I saw that in your bio, definitely going to take a look. for the working group, will there be a link to join the call on the site? i saw the github, are there any minutes from previous meetings that I can catch up on?
-
@fabio Do you use "immigrant" here in Canada? I've never heard a Brazilian here call themselves an expatriate. I've also never seen anyone use anything but "immigrant" in French to describe themselves.
Do you use "imigrante" to describe yourself in Brazil?
-
@roosvonk.bsky.social business is business, with Hitler is even better
Linkedin is a private social, not a social made of real people
-
Gianluca (@aureliusdiocle.bsky.social)
https://bsky.app/profile/aureliusdiocle.bsky.social/post/3mdb4bd5lck22
> E ancora una volta la Mongolia eletta d’ufficio arbiter elegantiae dei giochi olimpici invernali.
