Sorry Apple fans in advance for what I'm about to say

[nicklockwood@mastodon.social]

@eniko these articles are mostly written for Apple fans, by Apple fans, so there is a shared subtext that may not be obvious to an outsider

There's no need for Apple users to explain to each other the nature of the deal that we thought we were making, and why this feels like a final, unforgivable betrayal of it

I'm under no illusion that Apple hasn't been terrible for years, and getting worse. This is a straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back situation, not a sudden revelation

[catraxx@tech.lgbt]

@eniko 💯 agreed

[nicklockwood@mastodon.social]

@eniko tbh I also find it distasteful when tech users turn on each other over the sins of their vendors. I had to tolerate decades of PC users assuring me that I'd backed a loser with Apple, and then Android users smugly insisting that I was a sheep because I tolerated living in a walled garden, or making super-mature kink-shaming metaphors like some of the delightful replies to your post.

But enshittification comes for us all in the end. No platform is safe from it.

[glyph@mastodon.social]

@sol_hsa @eniko the archetypical apple fanboy making this kind of complaint about "principles" is not really talking about like, ethics. these are people who value design intention and aesthetics a LOT, and those are primarily the principles they think apple is abandoning. that then bleeds out into other values too and some of the analysis does go a bit broad, but if you think of design language as "GUI flair" you probably don't hold the requisite religious conviction to understand the complaint

[glyph@mastodon.social]

@sol_hsa @eniko sort of like if you saw a doctrinal schism in a religion and thought that this was people belatedly waking up to the fact that their bibles are produced with slave labor in the global south or something. like they might be peripherally aware that that's a problem and maybe they even care about it, but the religious part of the conviction is about the words on the page, not the way the book gets made

[jay@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@eniko Does Apple still prevent people from uploading files from within the Safari Web browser - making them use an app for that instead? I built a Web page years ago to help somebody edit some photos, and I wanted them to use the Web page to upload the photos to my Web server, but they told me the upload button was dimmed. When I looked into it, I discovered that Apple had actually prevented Safari from uploading files. 👎

How many years was it before Apple finally put a file browser in iOS?

[u0421793@toot.pikopublish.ing]

@eniko I’m undergoing a similar thing lately. Not so much with Apple, but with Affinity (and in the past weeks, also Apple now). I’ve paid for the three Affinity apps (then paid again when they went to Affinity 2) and have been using them quite deeply (but not deep enough to know the key commands, I stopped learning key commands in the early 2000s when Adobe changed Photoshop and Illustrator and we all had to learn new key commands, so I basically never did).

I haven’t gone over to the Affinity by Canva thing they announced recently. (Free? It’s a trap!)

The question I harbour now is - should I continue to use Affinity 2, which I don’t have too many problems with, or should I go over to the open source apps such as Gimp Krita Inkscape Scribus etc. Each time I try I’m infuriated at how utterly amateurish and just incorrect all those apps are, they simply don’t work the way a normal app does, and present barrier after barrier when I’m expecting to be in a flow state to actually get shit done. I don’t have good things to say about open source because of this unprofessional amateurish haphazard messy ugly inconsiderate attitude most of it has. But… what if the pro stuff just turns to shit one day.

Now I’m wasting time copying stuff I have in Pages (which works across my MacBooks and iPads and iPhone) into something else. I downloaded LibreOffice but absolutely hate it, and it cuts me out of my iPad and iPhone, so that’s probably not going to be something I waste time on for too long. Without writing script notes and other stuff in Pages, I might be best just using Notes except I can’t print things in Notes the way I want it to be, it’ll be in the way it decides to be, I have no control of pagination etc.

I remember this sort of crap happening to me about 25 years ago which resulted in me learning Vim (learning enough to get in, type things, save things, get out again) but that was before tablets and phones, but I never did find a good replacement back then to the Adobe Suite. That caused me to back out of graphic art for quite some time in fact. Well, graphic art on computers at least.

[electrocutie@plush.city]

@eniko it sucks

but we gotta welcome them to the fight and help them see

[oay@mastodon.social]

@eniko see also https://www.bugsappleloves.com

[coolcalmcollected@mastodon.social]

@eniko THANK YOU

[mook@possum.city]

@eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place the history of Apple is basically steve jobs bullying and exploiting nerds, like there's a story about the early days of apple where Jobs stole $5,000 from Wozniak

[ratsnakegames@mastodon.social]

@nicklockwood @eniko meanwhile, i have heard SO. MUCH. mockery because i occasionally voice concerns over privacy or autonomy from fanboys who just want to consume their slop in peace that i don't actually care about being civil on these topics anymore.

[gabrielesvelto@mas.to]

@eniko periodic reminder that the very first iPhone didn't allow *any* native third party app from being installed on it.

[gabrielesvelto@mas.to]

@eniko oh, and it was only available in black, because Model T, but expensive.

The Jobs/Ive Apple would have happily mandated how you'd have to dress to use their products if they had had a way to enforce it.

[nelhah@app.wafrn.net]

you missed the part where most people complaining about liquid ass aren't developers and quite frankly couldn't give any less of a fuck about that side of thing

it's almost like they now decided to step on an average joe's toes with this shitty gui

[nicelymanifest@mastodon.social]

@eniko What business can operate with a bewildering disinterest in a trillion dollars accumulating in the bank while still overcharging customers - by intent?

Amazon treat staff, and presumably also suppliers and competitors badly too often, but at least they try to serve customers well.

[tacitus@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@eniko

Apple's philosophy has always been "my way or the highway" and, for the people who liked Apple's way, this worked, all th decisions were made for them. But now they are seeing what everyone else saw, when you don't jive with the One True Opinion, you're SOL. It's love it or lump it in the Apple ecosystem.

[jameswidman@mastodon.social]

@eniko but in the space of companies that ship CPUs that are suitable for development (so, a decent number of high-performance cores)...

are there any non-bad guys?

like, Lisa Su attends the same dinners as Tim Cook. AMD is manufacturing exactly the type of gen-"a.i."-supporting hardware that should never have been built (and which we must now organize to dismantle).

so while apple's leadership is clearly horrible, it seems more like they're *a* bad guy as opposed to *the* bad guy

[jameswidman@mastodon.social]

@eniko like, sure, the *walled* garden clearly makes apple one of the bad guys, but if every manufacturer is directing its resources to support "a.i." to such an extent that most people can't afford to place themselves in *any* kind of garden...

[malwareminigun@infosec.exchange]

@eniko @catsalad this is a carrot and stick, and Apple took away the carrot.