Bonfire pushed a big release last week, and I'm excited to try out all the new shiny things on my test instance.'nPost migration and Quote Posts among them.'n#Bonfire #ActivityPub
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RE: https://spark.box464.social/pub/objects/01K6QYSXP3QJKFM8Y8CH92G1SF
Bonfire pushed a big release last week, and I'm excited to try out all the new shiny things on my test instance.
Post migration and Quote Posts among them.
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RE: https://spark.box464.social/pub/objects/01K6QYSXP3QJKFM8Y8CH92G1SF
Bonfire pushed a big release last week, and I'm excited to try out all the new shiny things on my test instance.
Post migration and Quote Posts among them.
Request came through to allow the quote, but Mastodon hasn't released it yet....
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RE: https://spark.box464.social/pub/objects/01K6QYSXP3QJKFM8Y8CH92G1SF
Bonfire pushed a big release last week, and I'm excited to try out all the new shiny things on my test instance.
Post migration and Quote Posts among them.
Hmmm...strange this is that this group (general@activitypub.space) and a newsmast channel both boosted the quote post prior to me approving it. And Mastodon is still showing it as pending approval from my Bonfire account, tho I did approve it. Might be in a queue...still the group accounts shouldn't be able to boost the quote post if it's not approved?
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Request came through to allow the quote, but Mastodon hasn't released it yet....
@box464 you mean doesn't release the request/accept/decline flow?
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@box464 you mean doesn't release the request/accept/decline flow?
@cheeaun Yes, still seeing this in my Mastodon notifications.
1) Quoted post from Mastodon.
2) Approved post in Bonfire.
3) Mastodon doesn't recognize acceptanceDoes Phanpy have functionality to approve/deny post quotes yet?
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Hmmm...strange this is that this group (general@activitypub.space) and a newsmast channel both boosted the quote post prior to me approving it. And Mastodon is still showing it as pending approval from my Bonfire account, tho I did approve it. Might be in a queue...still the group accounts shouldn't be able to boost the quote post if it's not approved?
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@cheeaun Yes, still seeing this in my Mastodon notifications.
1) Quoted post from Mastodon.
2) Approved post in Bonfire.
3) Mastodon doesn't recognize acceptanceDoes Phanpy have functionality to approve/deny post quotes yet?
@box464 if approved on Bonfire's side, Mastodon should recognize it… probably takes time? 🙈
There's no approve/deny UI/flow/API on Mastodon's side. I've asked & got this response "we included support for it in case someday another software wants it" and "(but we think it's not a good idea, as it means your quote can be displayed as pending for a long time, which is not ideal in a timeline-based network)" — which I think make sense. By the time it's approved, it's probably too old to be read
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> There are paths out of the situation, but I'm not confident in the discourse around them right now, and hesitant about how much I want to engage with it.
Yes. I posted something on the same subject today.
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@eyeinthesky The reason we can't have nice things is because the Fedi Devs don't want to deal with the basics of the protocol. Or: Because no one has yet provided C2S for Fedi Devs who don't want to deal with the basics.
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@cwebber @eyeinthesky @smallcircles @evan Apart from the fact that I would prefer turtle, I am very happy that AP ‘prescribes’ json-ld. This opens the door to many of my ideas. It makes possible what would be very complicated without #RDF. It's about time that the AP developers got to grips with it! https://rdf-pub.org/#rdf
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@eyeinthesky @smallcircles @evan To be clear, I think json-ld has a lot of great ideas in it, and it's the extensibility and linked data compatibility (which was a strong group requirement) story we had at the time.
"JSON-LD is bad" doesn't really capture my views. "JSON-LD turned out to be too complicated for the majority of the ecosystem to work with, particularly when we gave the view that you could ignore it, except it creates a rift of interoperability between those who ignore it and those who don't and puts a burden on the latter who are doing their best to behave well" does match my views.
There are paths out of the situation, but I'm not confident in the discourse around them right now, and hesitant about how much I want to engage with it.
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Here we come to my new interest area.. I spent a metric ton of time advocating for #fediverse and #ActivityPub and that was initially all on a very optimistic note on how our ecosystem would mature and grow over time, fostering a healthy future for itself.
That however didn't go as planned. You might say that the entirety of the fediverse is still primarily tech-driven. Tech-first approaches that do not differ too much of the much reviled and rejected 'techbro approach'.
Sure, there are plenty discussions on whether an app feature is 'ethical' or not, with discussions on e.g. opt-in vs. opt-out. But that is again purely app-centric.
Where is the dev ecosystem headed, where should they focus, what externalities exist? Where do we want future #fediverse as a whole to be? What's the vision?
And then we come to the social side of things, both in the small, but also in-the-large. Technosphere aligned and subservient to Sociosphere. That is focus of https://coding.social
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@smallcircles “an interpretation that advocates for tolerating unexpected inputs is no longer considered best practice in all scenarios.” Somebody didn’t get the memo. lol
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@eyeinthesky @cwebber @evan @deadsuperhero
There are a couple of really great #IETF documents on protocol design and maintenance. You often see me mentioning protocol decay, which is only a paragraph in the splendid #RFC9413 Maintaining Robust Protocols.
The next section for instance is on detrimental ecosystem effects if you are either too stricly enforcing standards or are too laissez faire about them.
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The protocol becomes more like the union of all app-specific functionality that has been created over time, and copied / depended on by others in fundamental ways. Instead of that all that happens in clear solution layer that rests above the protocol conceptually.
The protocol boundaries are fuzzy.
@deadsuperhero mentioned the other day that having identity management well figured out, would be the killer app for the fediverse.
But without having these fundamentals on how we responsibly 'extend the fediverse' (deploy a new solution, deliver a service), I don't think this is the case. But having that functionality might make it very clear that we need this foundation.
Now an identity is neatly app-bound, but then no longer and since all apps overloaded the ActivityStreams social primitives you may have to deal with the full combinatorial explosion of figuring out what the functionality of your as:Video or other object really is.
Perhaps I see it wrong.
