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  • @benjohn it's not a peer to peer protocol. It's federated - meaning you can pick a provider - like email or the Fediverse.

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  • @daniel I was just checking out the Wikipedia page, thanks for the pointer. … does it work well peer to peer? Identifies seem to be tied to a domain?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP

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  • @daniel@gultsch.social absolutely, the same naive expectations happen often when people think forums are easy to build :smile:

    @pixelschubsi@troet.cafe is definitely on to something about re-using an existing XMPP server in order to avoid the heavy lift. The less the maintenance burden for me, the better as far as I'm concerned.

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  • @julian @pixelschubsi I understand the instinct of wanting to reuse the parts you already have. Protocol parsing, identities, profiles etc. However those will very quickly become extremely minor building blocks in the complexity of instant messaging.
    It's very easy to underestimate the scope and feature creep of IM. I've seen this happening in other places where people initially think that IM is just passing some messages around. And then users demand more features and then you reinvent XMPP.

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  • @julian @daniel so in practice it would probably be the other way round: that heavy lifting you're rightfully afraid of has already been done and even the large tail of the remaining 20% (that in reality need 80% of the effort) are largely done.

    If we were to agree to go the XMPP route, we could have fully-featuered deployment-ready implementations of instant messaging on top of AP identities in weeks to months. If it's something entirely new on top of AP, it's going to take years.

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  • @julian @daniel I'm looking at it from a different perspective. IMO the Mastodon server (as an example) doesn't need to implement XMPP itself (it could, but it doesn't need to). Just like it doesn't implement HTTP itself.

    It could instead rely on existing implementations. Take an existing XMPP server, reverse proxy its websocket endpoint, use the existing Mastodon auth to sign in, and embed an existing XMPP web client in the web frontend.

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  • @silverpill @pixelschubsi @tris you can have a single account (or as I phrased it 'identity and login credentials') across different protocols.
    For example your Google account works across multiple protocols. And even in the federated world we have several cases where email address == xmpp address.
    So to repeat myself: using the same identity is good. Doesn't mean you are locked into ActivityPub if you want to build instant messaging.

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  • To preface — I'm in agreement that ActivityPub probably isn't the best protocol to use for instant messaging. There's a lot of FUD still being spread about XMPP and I am outside of most of those discussions. NodeBB only supports AP at current.

    That said, there's interest in pursuing AP as a delivery protocol for instant messaging because integrating a separate protocol is a heavy lift for everybody involved. It's a heavy lift if you already support AP, and it's a heavy lift when you support no federating protocols at all. Imagine a site looking to federate... now they have to use AP+XMPP? AP+Delta? etc...

    Setting aside all the existing reasons why AP isn't ideal, I will say this... It clears the baseline expectations:

    Messages can get sent via AP :heavy_check_mark: Messages can be privately addressed via existing AP addressing mechanisms :heavy_check_mark:

    That's it. The rest is icing. Really important icing, but for 99% of conversations, icing.

    @daniel@gultsch.social @pixelschubsi@troet.cafe

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    According to @tchambers@indieweb.social's My 2026 Open Social Web Predictions: Fedify will power the federation layer for at least one mid-sized social platform (500K+ users) that adds ActivityPub support in 2026. The “build vs. buy” calculation for federation shifts decisively toward “just use Fedify.” We're honored by this recognition and will keep working hard to make #ActivityPub adoption easier for everyone. Thank you, Tim! #Fedify #fediverse #fedidev
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    Yay! My #Mastodon trifecta is now complete! My blue & orange (is it orange‽) #Plushtodon came in last night, & I opened it yesterday, but I was too tired to post about it as I just got off work. But yes, I am excited that the two smaller Plushes arrived! Thanks @Mastodon for creating these!Also…we need more #ActivityPub apps to create real world wearables or plushies, as they are great conversation starters for folks who are not familiar with the #Fediverse.
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    Week in Fediverse 2025-12-05Servers- stegodon v1.3.0- Ktistec v3.2.2- ActivityPub for WordPress v7.7.0- snac v2.85- tootik v0.20.3- shops v0.1.6- PieFed v1.3.6- Forgejo monthly report - November 2025- Lemmy Development Update November 2025Clients- Pachli v3.2.0- Mastodon for iOS v2025.08- Tusker v2025.3- Voyager v2.41.0Tools and Plugins- Poduptime v5.6.1- FIRES Server v0.8.0Articles- Mastodon creator shares what went wrong with Threads and ponders the future of the fediverse- Why the #OMN works with #ActivityPub – And why we need a bridge to #p2p- The Fediverse and Content Creation: Monetization- Alt Text Health Check image accessibility report #3- Is Pixelfed sawing off the branch that the Fediverse is sitting on?- #OurFedi2025 - Fediverse Year in Review- A review of Exit coolness I overlooked from the world of ActivityPub- Fediverse Report – #145-----#WeekInFediverse #Fediverse #ActivityPubPrevious edition: https://mitra.social/objects/019acbca-9a56-6825-a6da-5469fd8a40fd
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    stevenixon@mastodon.social you're not wrong about that! Some people are working on getting there, but right now you'll have to create a new account.