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working on the scene just before the finale of Paisiello's Barber.

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  • no but seriously in Rossini's Barber Figaro does actually tell the Count to shut up at least four times I can think of offhand. lmao

    I think Paisiello's Count tells Figaro to shut up twice?

    Rossini's Figaro meeting Paisiello's Count would be some "unstoppable force meets immovable object" shit. possibly too much flamboyant ham for the stage to handle

    it's worth noting that after Paisiello's Count gets married to Rosina he does not speak to her again for the rest of the opera, which still has ~7 mins to go til the end, and when he talks about her it is entirely in terms of property rights (that is, his rights to her, as property). This is not an oversight but rather very very intentional. Finding it fucked up is exactly the reaction Beaumarchais intended

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  • it's worth noting that after Paisiello's Count gets married to Rosina he does not speak to her again for the rest of the opera, which still has ~7 mins to go til the end, and when he talks about her it is entirely in terms of property rights (that is, his rights to her, as property). This is not an oversight but rather very very intentional. Finding it fucked up is exactly the reaction Beaumarchais intended

    here's the real meat of Beaumarchais's/Paisiello's satire. Bartolo has committed no crimes, he's been a dick entirely within legal bounds - except in a system designed to cater to the whims of the elite, the law is whatever the Count says it is, and the instruments of its implementation, here the mayor of Seville, know who their masters are. the idea of "consent" is a bitter joke. Bartolo is coerced by the Count just as Figaro and Basilio were

  • here's the real meat of Beaumarchais's/Paisiello's satire. Bartolo has committed no crimes, he's been a dick entirely within legal bounds - except in a system designed to cater to the whims of the elite, the law is whatever the Count says it is, and the instruments of its implementation, here the mayor of Seville, know who their masters are. the idea of "consent" is a bitter joke. Bartolo is coerced by the Count just as Figaro and Basilio were

    worth noting that Paisiello's Count does not ask Rosina to marry him, he just tells her to marry him and she requires no coersion because she was about to be forced to marry an old doctor so marrying a young aristocrat is a big upgrade. she had no choice but is happy because the new situation somebody else picked for her is better than the prior existing one. if you think there's a lot to unpack there I have great news: female agency within this system is a central focus of the sequel

  • worth noting that Paisiello's Count does not ask Rosina to marry him, he just tells her to marry him and she requires no coersion because she was about to be forced to marry an old doctor so marrying a young aristocrat is a big upgrade. she had no choice but is happy because the new situation somebody else picked for her is better than the prior existing one. if you think there's a lot to unpack there I have great news: female agency within this system is a central focus of the sequel

    BARTOLO: io perdei per poca cura!
    FIGARO: dite pur per poca testa

  • BARTOLO: io perdei per poca cura!
    FIGARO: dite pur per poca testa

    The narrative trajectory
    The Count wants to test Rosina's worthiness by winning her love as a commoner
    He attempts to anonymously use the levers of institutional power to gain access (the forged billet) but this fails
    He attempts to use the social power of a gentleman of the same rank as Rosina (as "Don Alonso") to gain access, but this fails
    He physically breaks in but Rosina rejects him
    He goes fuck this and as his true self easily bulldozes all obstacles and takes what he wants

  • The narrative trajectory
    The Count wants to test Rosina's worthiness by winning her love as a commoner
    He attempts to anonymously use the levers of institutional power to gain access (the forged billet) but this fails
    He attempts to use the social power of a gentleman of the same rank as Rosina (as "Don Alonso") to gain access, but this fails
    He physically breaks in but Rosina rejects him
    He goes fuck this and as his true self easily bulldozes all obstacles and takes what he wants

    in this case the failures are not a standard narrative arc of the hero slowly making progress while facing adversity, the narrative purpose of the Count's repeated failures is to show the idea of his succeeding by merit alone is a joke, the very system from which he derives his power makes success by merit impossible. all his pointless incognito make-believe did was indulge his vanity and waste everyone's else's time

  • in this case the failures are not a standard narrative arc of the hero slowly making progress while facing adversity, the narrative purpose of the Count's repeated failures is to show the idea of his succeeding by merit alone is a joke, the very system from which he derives his power makes success by merit impossible. all his pointless incognito make-believe did was indulge his vanity and waste everyone's else's time

    it is also significant to Beaumarchais's satire that the story involves the whims of a count and not a prince in the manner of a more fairy tale/allegorical treatment. a prince is special. a count is the lowest tier of nobleman. the fact that the count isn't even special or important is central to the point: just the fact that he's some random noble gives him free license to fuck everyone over with no consequences

  • it is also significant to Beaumarchais's satire that the story involves the whims of a count and not a prince in the manner of a more fairy tale/allegorical treatment. a prince is special. a count is the lowest tier of nobleman. the fact that the count isn't even special or important is central to the point: just the fact that he's some random noble gives him free license to fuck everyone over with no consequences

    point of interest: in Rossini's Barber, Bartolo sends for the notary, and since Figaro is a trickster, he intercepts the notary and gets him to prep paperwork for the Count and Rosina instead. it's not the marriage the Count would have picked but the situation forces it

    in Beaumarchais's/Paisiello's Barber, the Count sends for the notary. He gives no shits about religion or love, he just wants to acquire a high value asset (Rosina), and the marriage proceeds exactly per his plan

  • point of interest: in Rossini's Barber, Bartolo sends for the notary, and since Figaro is a trickster, he intercepts the notary and gets him to prep paperwork for the Count and Rosina instead. it's not the marriage the Count would have picked but the situation forces it

    in Beaumarchais's/Paisiello's Barber, the Count sends for the notary. He gives no shits about religion or love, he just wants to acquire a high value asset (Rosina), and the marriage proceeds exactly per his plan

    rossini's count: our marriage, oh dearest, is the work of love. that love which made you my wife will tie me to you until death (il nostro nodo, o cara, opra ĆØ d'amore. amoooooooooooreeeeee che ti fe' mia consorte a te mi stringerĆ  fino alla morte)

    paisiello's count: the contract is already signed, who would want to dispute it? (il contratto ĆØ giĆ  firmato, disputarlo chi vorrei?)

  • rossini's count: our marriage, oh dearest, is the work of love. that love which made you my wife will tie me to you until death (il nostro nodo, o cara, opra ĆØ d'amore. amoooooooooooreeeeee che ti fe' mia consorte a te mi stringerĆ  fino alla morte)

    paisiello's count: the contract is already signed, who would want to dispute it? (il contratto ĆØ giĆ  firmato, disputarlo chi vorrei?)

    other point of interest: Rosina is not a commoner per se, she is a gentlewoman. the fictional "Lindoro" is in fact a lower social rank than her, which she draws attention to when outraged that the low-born Lindoro would betray her when she was so nice to him despite his being below her station. the Count is hypocritically testing Rosina's virtue by seeing if she can love someone of a social rank he would not himself consider marrying into

  • other point of interest: Rosina is not a commoner per se, she is a gentlewoman. the fictional "Lindoro" is in fact a lower social rank than her, which she draws attention to when outraged that the low-born Lindoro would betray her when she was so nice to him despite his being below her station. the Count is hypocritically testing Rosina's virtue by seeing if she can love someone of a social rank he would not himself consider marrying into

    in modern narratives, being attracted to someone on looks alone is considered shallow and a real hero wants the girl based on her personality. something interesting here that I think points to the incompleteness of this concept: Paisiello's Count believes having Rosina as a wife will flatter him due to her intelligence and "fire". Rossini's Count is desperate to be with Rosina and secure her happiness because she is really really pretty you guys. Which of the two counts is the more shallow?

  • in modern narratives, being attracted to someone on looks alone is considered shallow and a real hero wants the girl based on her personality. something interesting here that I think points to the incompleteness of this concept: Paisiello's Count believes having Rosina as a wife will flatter him due to her intelligence and "fire". Rossini's Count is desperate to be with Rosina and secure her happiness because she is really really pretty you guys. Which of the two counts is the more shallow?

    I actually think Rossini's Count is in such a pathetic state of wibbling lovesick sadbrains because he loves a lot more than just Rosina's beauty but he's too stupid to articulate exactly what it is that drives his longing, but that still points to how a weird element of many modern love stories (particularly of the "family friendly" variety) is that a heroic character must be able to have the eloquence and self-awareness to verbally express morally virtuous rationales for their attraction

  • I actually think Rossini's Count is in such a pathetic state of wibbling lovesick sadbrains because he loves a lot more than just Rosina's beauty but he's too stupid to articulate exactly what it is that drives his longing, but that still points to how a weird element of many modern love stories (particularly of the "family friendly" variety) is that a heroic character must be able to have the eloquence and self-awareness to verbally express morally virtuous rationales for their attraction

    unrelated: it is still wild to me what a drastic effect really small differences in mouth/jaw placement make in the shape of a face. i drew eyebrows and a nose bridge on the count and the characters have different shades of lipstick but the makeup is otherwise the same. it's my own dumb face ive seen a million times and it still seems like distinguishing these characters this drastically with so little shouldn't be possible

  • unrelated: it is still wild to me what a drastic effect really small differences in mouth/jaw placement make in the shape of a face. i drew eyebrows and a nose bridge on the count and the characters have different shades of lipstick but the makeup is otherwise the same. it's my own dumb face ive seen a million times and it still seems like distinguishing these characters this drastically with so little shouldn't be possible

    @Xibanya glasses off, straighten up: Superman. So yeah.

  • unrelated: it is still wild to me what a drastic effect really small differences in mouth/jaw placement make in the shape of a face. i drew eyebrows and a nose bridge on the count and the characters have different shades of lipstick but the makeup is otherwise the same. it's my own dumb face ive seen a million times and it still seems like distinguishing these characters this drastically with so little shouldn't be possible

    @Xibanya
    The hair and the towel - and the body language - makes a big difference too, I think.

    Wonder what it'd look like if you swapped accessories?

  • @Xibanya
    The hair and the towel - and the body language - makes a big difference too, I think.

    Wonder what it'd look like if you swapped accessories?

    @jannem it isn't a towel it is an unfastened kimono šŸ˜‚


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