A 1988 keynote by Gordon Bell on the history of personal workstations.
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@amoroso @weekend_editor very cool, I wonder if there are any infos/images of those machines with a color board & screen?
@symbolics I've never seen a screenshot of Interlisp-D in color. I'm not sure whether the color logo in this AAAI 82 photo is an actual monitor or just a sign.
https://interlisp.org/photos/AAAI82/AAAI82_9_hu_4a14d9fb5d0b6063.jpg
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@symbolics I've never seen a screenshot of Interlisp-D in color. I'm not sure whether the color logo in this AAAI 82 photo is an actual monitor or just a sign.
https://interlisp.org/photos/AAAI82/AAAI82_9_hu_4a14d9fb5d0b6063.jpg
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@symbolics Here is Interlisp-D in color:
https://groups.google.com/g/lispcore/c/yCTSn6IxQ8Q/m/dxrQpUBQAQAJ
@amoroso @weekend_editor I wonder, when did main color screens appear? In ancient times it was typical (on a Symbolics) that it could have an additional color board, but that was not a screen for the usual applications (listener, ...), but a color screen dedicated for displaying/drawing in color. I think the capability to run the main console on a native color screen appeared late, for example because drawing on a color screen was slow or because the system was hosted.
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@amoroso @weekend_editor I wonder, when did main color screens appear? In ancient times it was typical (on a Symbolics) that it could have an additional color board, but that was not a screen for the usual applications (listener, ...), but a color screen dedicated for displaying/drawing in color. I think the capability to run the main console on a native color screen appeared late, for example because drawing on a color screen was slow or because the system was hosted.
@symbolics For context the screenshot I linked was likely taken on a Unix workstation running the Medley version of Interlisp-D, the first for Unix.
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@amoroso @weekend_editor I wonder, when did main color screens appear? In ancient times it was typical (on a Symbolics) that it could have an additional color board, but that was not a screen for the usual applications (listener, ...), but a color screen dedicated for displaying/drawing in color. I think the capability to run the main console on a native color screen appeared late, for example because drawing on a color screen was slow or because the system was hosted.
@amoroso @weekend_editor I would guess that a color screen was added on an Interlisp machine in the early days (!) just like that: on an external screen dedicated to color drawing with some UI features - but not as a main console.. Since the manual had Interlisp functions for example like a color demo, that code should be available somewhere.
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@symbolics For context the screenshot I linked was likely taken on a Unix workstation running the Medley version of Interlisp-D, the first for Unix.
@amoroso @weekend_editor that's interesting. It looks like each of the Medley windows were X windows? That's different from using one big X window and Interlisp-D windows inside?
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@amoroso @weekend_editor I would guess that a color screen was added on an Interlisp machine in the early days (!) just like that: on an external screen dedicated to color drawing with some UI features - but not as a main console.. Since the manual had Interlisp functions for example like a color demo, that code should be available somewhere.
@symbolics Right, D-machines with Interlisp-D supported color on an external screen. The Medley repo still has code for color demos:
https://files.interlisp.org/medley/lispusers
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@amoroso @weekend_editor that's interesting. It looks like each of the Medley windows were X windows? That's different from using one big X window and Interlisp-D windows inside?
@symbolics No, they're actually not X windows but native Interlisp-D windows on the window holding the Medley screen. The title bars may give the impression of X windows but you can set the same bar shading on black&white Medley too.
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@symbolics Here is Interlisp-D in color:
https://groups.google.com/g/lispcore/c/yCTSn6IxQ8Q/m/dxrQpUBQAQAJ
Interesting!
I was actually *at* AAAI-82, when that screenshot says it was taken.
It was at CMU that year; I was working at GTE Labs and had an 1108 on my desk (or maybe it was 1983?). Didn't much like Interlisp, since I was a MacLisp guy trending to a Lisp Machine guy.
In those days, they handed out paper proceedings. In this case, they still fit in one volume. I was one of those nerds who spent the night before frantically reading, trying to decide which papers to go see presented.
Here's what the proceedings looked like:
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Interesting!
I was actually *at* AAAI-82, when that screenshot says it was taken.
It was at CMU that year; I was working at GTE Labs and had an 1108 on my desk (or maybe it was 1983?). Didn't much like Interlisp, since I was a MacLisp guy trending to a Lisp Machine guy.
In those days, they handed out paper proceedings. In this case, they still fit in one volume. I was one of those nerds who spent the night before frantically reading, trying to decide which papers to go see presented.
Here's what the proceedings looked like:
@weekend_editor Here are more AAAI 82 photos, maybe you're in there somewhere.
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@weekend_editor Here are more AAAI 82 photos, maybe you're in there somewhere.
Apparently not, unless lurking in the background somewhere (I do that a lot).
I also see they were advertising the Dorado.
What a mess! That thing was a big, hot ECL machine. As far as I know, they never quite worked out the timing bugs enough to make it work to commercial reliability levels, or at least not at a price below $100k. (In 1982 dollars!)
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Apparently not, unless lurking in the background somewhere (I do that a lot).
I also see they were advertising the Dorado.
What a mess! That thing was a big, hot ECL machine. As far as I know, they never quite worked out the timing bugs enough to make it work to commercial reliability levels, or at least not at a price below $100k. (In 1982 dollars!)
@weekend_editor And noisy.
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