Cross-platform GUI frameworks were hot in the 1990s.
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Cross-platform GUI frameworks were hot in the 1990s. This review paper of platform-independent GUIs is interesting as it was published in January of 1995, just a few months before the original release of Java. The paper is a snapshot of the pre-Java market and covers mostly C/C++ products, plus one in Lisp (CLIM) and a couple based on Smalltalk.
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Cross-platform GUI frameworks were hot in the 1990s. This review paper of platform-independent GUIs is interesting as it was published in January of 1995, just a few months before the original release of Java. The paper is a snapshot of the pre-Java market and covers mostly C/C++ products, plus one in Lisp (CLIM) and a couple based on Smalltalk.
@amoroso
Do you know of any similar paper/summary for now (ca. 2025)? -
@amoroso
Do you know of any similar paper/summary for now (ca. 2025)?@mikro2nd No, sorry.
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Cross-platform GUI frameworks were hot in the 1990s. This review paper of platform-independent GUIs is interesting as it was published in January of 1995, just a few months before the original release of Java. The paper is a snapshot of the pre-Java market and covers mostly C/C++ products, plus one in Lisp (CLIM) and a couple based on Smalltalk.
@amoroso
cross platform GUI still sucks and we dont have many options -
@amoroso
cross platform GUI still sucks and we dont have many options@alavi I take refuge in Medley Interlisp and CLIM.
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@mikro2nd No, sorry.
@amoroso
I've been looking for a cross-platform toolkit for (desktop!) UI lately, and it's thin pickings as far as I can see. Qt. Compose Multiplatform. Flutter. (But those latter 2 far prefer mobile platforms, and it shows!) It's a pretty sad scene. Everybody wants to do either web or mobile and to hell with desktop.Me, I'm predicting a swing back to desktop over the next decade or so...
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@amoroso
I've been looking for a cross-platform toolkit for (desktop!) UI lately, and it's thin pickings as far as I can see. Qt. Compose Multiplatform. Flutter. (But those latter 2 far prefer mobile platforms, and it shows!) It's a pretty sad scene. Everybody wants to do either web or mobile and to hell with desktop.Me, I'm predicting a swing back to desktop over the next decade or so...
@mikro2nd I'm lucky as I don't do anything cross-platform, and would use CLIM if I did.
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Cross-platform GUI frameworks were hot in the 1990s. This review paper of platform-independent GUIs is interesting as it was published in January of 1995, just a few months before the original release of Java. The paper is a snapshot of the pre-Java market and covers mostly C/C++ products, plus one in Lisp (CLIM) and a couple based on Smalltalk.
@amoroso is there a version without Cloudflare in front of it? My mobile can“t pass their “test”.
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@amoroso is there a version without Cloudflare in front of it? My mobile can“t pass their “test”.
@3rz That's weird as the page worked for me in Firefox up to a few tens of minutes ago, but now I get the warning too. I tried disabling uBO and Privacy Badger but I still get the warning, even in Chrome. Maybe a breaking update to Safe Browsing?
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@amoroso is there a version without Cloudflare in front of it? My mobile can“t pass their “test”.
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@tengkuizdihar Thanks for the heads up.
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@amoroso
Do you know of any similar paper/summary for now (ca. 2025)? -
@mikro2nd Does this 2016 post help?
https://blog.johnnovak.net/2016/05/29/cross-platform-gui-toolkit-trainwreck-2016-edition
@mikro2nd This is more recent, 2019:
https://www.hohlerde.org/rauch/en/blog/2019-12-08-GUI-Frameworks/
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@mikro2nd This is more recent, 2019:
https://www.hohlerde.org/rauch/en/blog/2019-12-08-GUI-Frameworks/
@amoroso
Many thanks for the links. Both articles pretty-much confirm what I've seen to date: the state of cross-platform GUI is still dire in 2025. Perhaps I should write another blogpost? (No. I really can't offer as much depth as the articles did! :)) -
@amoroso
Many thanks for the links. Both articles pretty-much confirm what I've seen to date: the state of cross-platform GUI is still dire in 2025. Perhaps I should write another blogpost? (No. I really can't offer as much depth as the articles did! :))@mikro2nd Or you can roll your own framework as this developer did in Common Lisp. 😀
https://tomscii.sig7.se/2025/04/The-Barium-Experiment
Jokes aside, I came across those links by reading this post. The author reached similar conclusions to the other posts and yours, but took a different road.
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Use NodeBB. We keep our shit in one folder.
You can put that folder anywhere 🫠
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But no. The discourse "easy installer" sprays shit all over /var. I'm gonna get some database down in /var/lib/docker/something and I'm going to get assets living in /var/discourse, and umpteen gajillion container images in /var/lib/docker.
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/var/discourse is not a good default. And then fucking docker wants to be /var/lib/docker. Never mind how /var/lib doesn't make any goddamn sense.
Related to my earlier discussion of hard drive partitioning. What I would like to do is have a volume that is not the operating system, but is instead all the application data. The discourse data, database, assets people upload, etc. That way I can have this nice virtual disk that encapsulates it. I could theoretically build a new node, attach this drive to the new node, and migrate the site. I can snapshot that drive more frequently than, say, the OS drive. Lots of benefits to encapsulating it.
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