It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use.
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It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use. I really think the hardware from MNT is the best bet we have for a computing future we still have a say in https://mnt.re/
I'm hoping the MNT Reform Next is going to make MNT's stuff more accessible to a wider variety of people
@cwebber Is this a subtoot on #framework / #FrameworkLaptop ?
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@cwebber Is this a subtoot on #framework / #FrameworkLaptop ?
@Sobex It's not necessarily, I have been advocating MNT's stuff for a long time.
But let me say that I think that if you *are* disappointed with Framework's actions then consider that MNT is:
- An indie, queer open hardware shop based out of Berlin
- All of their stuff really is as open hardware as they can make it
- The community is just lovely -
@Sobex It's not necessarily, I have been advocating MNT's stuff for a long time.
But let me say that I think that if you *are* disappointed with Framework's actions then consider that MNT is:
- An indie, queer open hardware shop based out of Berlin
- All of their stuff really is as open hardware as they can make it
- The community is just lovely@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform -
@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform@cwebber What ISA is it o.O ?
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform -
@jorgecandeias @cwebber Is it even worse price wise than Framework ?
(Which is known to be a fair bit more expensive than the x86 competition).
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@jorgecandeias @cwebber Is it even worse price wise than Framework ?
(Which is known to be a fair bit more expensive than the x86 competition).
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@Sobex Usually arm64/aarch64, but there are some other modules, including a (soon to be revived) FPGA module (that one's just for some very particular developers), and there were some demos of a RISC-V module. But it's generally ARM64.
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform@Sobex There's one other big downside: power management really isn't very good on most of the modules *yet*. I think some of the older modules have suspend, but hibernate is kinda working on the RK3588, no suspend yet. I do think this is a big barrier to adoption for many people.
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@jorgecandeias @Sobex I'm pretty sure they're cheaper than a Framework. The Pocket Reform certainly is.
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform -
@listentolist @Sobex I haven't yet; running Guix on top of Debian when using it. There have been people working on it:
https://community.mnt.re/t/guix-and-reform/173/44It could use more help though!
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@Sobex There's one other big downside: power management really isn't very good on most of the modules *yet*. I think some of the older modules have suspend, but hibernate is kinda working on the RK3588, no suspend yet. I do think this is a big barrier to adoption for many people.
A lot of people are bringing up price as a downside. This is true insofar as there are certainly cheaper offerings on the market which are even more powerful in terms of specs, and with less fiddling required.
So that doesn't sound like a big sell! This is for people who want to have something repairable, and want to help *get* the state of hardware to a better safe, to help invest in hardware for a future we can still control.