It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use.
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@Sobex It's not necessarily, I have been advocating MNT's stuff for a long time.
But let me say that I think that if you *are* disappointed with Framework's actions then consider that MNT is:
- An indie, queer open hardware shop based out of Berlin
- All of their stuff really is as open hardware as they can make it
- The community is just lovely@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform -
@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform@cwebber What ISA is it o.O ?
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform -
@jorgecandeias @cwebber Is it even worse price wise than Framework ?
(Which is known to be a fair bit more expensive than the x86 competition).
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@jorgecandeias @cwebber Is it even worse price wise than Framework ?
(Which is known to be a fair bit more expensive than the x86 competition).
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@Sobex Usually arm64/aarch64, but there are some other modules, including a (soon to be revived) FPGA module (that one's just for some very particular developers), and there were some demos of a RISC-V module. But it's generally ARM64.
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform@Sobex There's one other big downside: power management really isn't very good on most of the modules *yet*. I think some of the older modules have suspend, but hibernate is kinda working on the RK3588, no suspend yet. I do think this is a big barrier to adoption for many people.
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@jorgecandeias @Sobex I'm pretty sure they're cheaper than a Framework. The Pocket Reform certainly is.
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@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:
- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform -
@listentolist @Sobex I haven't yet; running Guix on top of Debian when using it. There have been people working on it:
https://community.mnt.re/t/guix-and-reform/173/44It could use more help though!
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@Sobex There's one other big downside: power management really isn't very good on most of the modules *yet*. I think some of the older modules have suspend, but hibernate is kinda working on the RK3588, no suspend yet. I do think this is a big barrier to adoption for many people.
A lot of people are bringing up price as a downside. This is true insofar as there are certainly cheaper offerings on the market which are even more powerful in terms of specs, and with less fiddling required.
So that doesn't sound like a big sell! This is for people who want to have something repairable, and want to help *get* the state of hardware to a better safe, to help invest in hardware for a future we can still control.
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A lot of people are bringing up price as a downside. This is true insofar as there are certainly cheaper offerings on the market which are even more powerful in terms of specs, and with less fiddling required.
So that doesn't sound like a big sell! This is for people who want to have something repairable, and want to help *get* the state of hardware to a better safe, to help invest in hardware for a future we can still control.
Overall, the MNT Pocket Reform is just over 1k EUR. Which is what many laptops go for. Certainly if you go looking for cheaper options, you will find them though.
But it is an expense. And an even bigger expense from the MNT offerings: time, hack energy, and patience. This is the biggest thing I'd warn about: you have to be willing to fiddle with the thing and take part in the community. MNT's offerings are getting better and better, but we're still at early adopter period.
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Overall, the MNT Pocket Reform is just over 1k EUR. Which is what many laptops go for. Certainly if you go looking for cheaper options, you will find them though.
But it is an expense. And an even bigger expense from the MNT offerings: time, hack energy, and patience. This is the biggest thing I'd warn about: you have to be willing to fiddle with the thing and take part in the community. MNT's offerings are getting better and better, but we're still at early adopter period.
But with all that said, if there's *anywhere* that there's a market for a hack-it-yourself laptop that's highly configurable, it's the fediverse!
And the original point of this thread wasn't "this is the best value for the price point". That's not an argument I'm making.
The point I argued is that we *need* hackable hardware in order to keep participatory computing alive, and MNT's offerings are the best bet we have.
And I fully, fully believe that much is true.
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@marcocc e non dovrebbe essere così difficile da capire.
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well snackually
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@las_lallero Io andavo a messa quando non avevo altra scelta ma non me n'è mai fregato niente nonostante il prete (mio padrino di battesimo e professore di teologia) fosse persona interessantissima e di cultura e non ho altro sacramento che il battesimo, ma solo perché per quello non avevo scelta. Quindi chiederei: ma a questo povero cristo gliene frega qualcosa?
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@tognee @lorenzodm @tizianomattei @linux ma questa notizia a quando risale? Perché mi pare fosse di marzo e da allora non ho visto un singolo aggiornamento
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@foone ok but fr I would sign up
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But with all that said, if there's *anywhere* that there's a market for a hack-it-yourself laptop that's highly configurable, it's the fediverse!
And the original point of this thread wasn't "this is the best value for the price point". That's not an argument I'm making.
The point I argued is that we *need* hackable hardware in order to keep participatory computing alive, and MNT's offerings are the best bet we have.
And I fully, fully believe that much is true.
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Overall, the MNT Pocket Reform is just over 1k EUR. Which is what many laptops go for. Certainly if you go looking for cheaper options, you will find them though.
But it is an expense. And an even bigger expense from the MNT offerings: time, hack energy, and patience. This is the biggest thing I'd warn about: you have to be willing to fiddle with the thing and take part in the community. MNT's offerings are getting better and better, but we're still at early adopter period.
