It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use.

[cwebber@social.coop]

It's really going to be absolutely critical that we be able to hack on and trust the hardware we use. I really think the hardware from MNT is the best bet we have for a computing future we still have a say in https://mnt.re/

I'm hoping the MNT Reform Next is going to make MNT's stuff more accessible to a wider variety of people

[be@floss.social]

@cwebber I hope they make a normal sized laptop.

[cwebber@social.coop]

@be That's what the MNT Reform Next is (mostly)! https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/mnt-reform-next

It's about the form-factor of a 200X era Thinkpad

[sobex@social.sciences.re]

@cwebber Is this a subtoot on #framework / #FrameworkLaptop ?

[cwebber@social.coop]

@Sobex It's not necessarily, I have been advocating MNT's stuff for a long time.

But let me say that I think that if you *are* disappointed with Framework's actions then consider that MNT is:

- An indie, queer open hardware shop based out of Berlin
- All of their stuff really is as open hardware as they can make it
- The community is just lovely

[cwebber@social.coop]

@Sobex The downsides for MNT, if you're looking for a drop-in replacement:

- There's no current x86 offering, if that's important to you
- You *will* have to hack it at some point probably, but it's highly hackable!
- The MNT Reform Next isn't out yet, so either you have this incredibly cute pocket computer, or you have the chonker "brutalist" (but highly hackable) original MNT Reform

[sobex@social.sciences.re]

@cwebber What ISA is it o.O ?

[jorgecandeias@mastodon.social]

@cwebber @Sobex There's one other major downside: the price.

[sobex@social.sciences.re]

@jorgecandeias @cwebber Is it even worse price wise than Framework ?

(Which is known to be a fair bit more expensive than the x86 competition).

[jorgecandeias@mastodon.social]

@Sobex @cwebber I'd have to dig into the specs to answer that, which I haven't, as the price I've seen spooked me out of it immediately.

[cwebber@social.coop]

@Sobex Usually arm64/aarch64, but there are some other modules, including a (soon to be revived) FPGA module (that one's just for some very particular developers), and there were some demos of a RISC-V module. But it's generally ARM64.

[cwebber@social.coop]

@Sobex There's one other big downside: power management really isn't very good on most of the modules *yet*. I think some of the older modules have suspend, but hibernate is kinda working on the RK3588, no suspend yet. I do think this is a big barrier to adoption for many people.

[cwebber@social.coop]

@jorgecandeias @Sobex I'm pretty sure they're cheaper than a Framework. The Pocket Reform certainly is.

[listentolist@norden.social]

@cwebber @Sobex Have you tried running Guix System on one of the MNT laptops?

[cwebber@social.coop]

@listentolist @Sobex I haven't yet; running Guix on top of Debian when using it. There have been people working on it:
https://community.mnt.re/t/guix-and-reform/173/44

It could use more help though!