Is the Risorgimento an important part of Canadian history?
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So, I am trying to hold an idea of Canada in my mind where the story of Italian Canadians (and West Indians and Maghrebi and Ukrainian and, and, and) is as foundational and collectively held as the story of the Great Peace and the Acadian expulsion or the national railroad. If there is a "we" here, as a Canadian, it's my story too. It feels strange and uncomfortable, which is why I started this poll. And, why, I think, it has so few responses. Anyway, I am Yes, but it's hard.
@evan I recently created a "coat of arms" for my old high school / for reasons unrelated to this thread / the four circles are meant to represent plates around a dinner table / one for the first nations, one for the settlers (colonizers), one for everyone who has arrived since "first contact" and one for all the people who have simply been born in to it / it felt more appropriate than the standard fare english-french catholic-protestant symbolism of the city's current flag / or bagels, obviously
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I should probably point out that many people here in Canada fucking *hate* the very idea of this kind of equitable multiculturalism. The idea that arepas and poutine are both fully and equally Canadian sounds like hell to them. This is not unusual anywhere, I don't think.
@evan Perhaps it would be useful to move this to specifics. For instance: Is Québec justified in expecting immigrants to become francophone and implementing policies to do so?
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@evan Perhaps it would be useful to move this to specifics. For instance: Is Québec justified in expecting immigrants to become francophone and implementing policies to do so?
@mpjgregoire such a good question! I think the central pillar of civic nationalism in Quebec is the French language -- more even than shared values or institutions. To the extent that it goes past what could be simple ethnic nationalism, I think that's a really good step forward.
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@evan @modulusshift @being isn't this the difference between a "melting pot" society and a "mosaic" society?
@lambic @modulusshift @being probably one difference! Although even in Canada's "patchwork quilt" model, there are some patches that are essential, and others that are optional add-ons. Maybe we need to say, this is the quilt we have, it's our quilt, and every piece is essential to make it what it is.
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I should probably point out that many people here in Canada fucking *hate* the very idea of this kind of equitable multiculturalism. The idea that arepas and poutine are both fully and equally Canadian sounds like hell to them. This is not unusual anywhere, I don't think.
@evan
How do things like cultural appropriation jive with this? I know you've posted in the past about the appropriateness of cooking recipes from another culture, which I found strange because the power imbalance was the opposite than I would have expected.It seems more useful to talk about raw power imbalances. Yes, acknowledge there are patterns in who is powerful and who lacks agency, but focusing on the imbalance and the abuses, which go from powerful to powerless.
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@evan
How do things like cultural appropriation jive with this? I know you've posted in the past about the appropriateness of cooking recipes from another culture, which I found strange because the power imbalance was the opposite than I would have expected.It seems more useful to talk about raw power imbalances. Yes, acknowledge there are patterns in who is powerful and who lacks agency, but focusing on the imbalance and the abuses, which go from powerful to powerless.
#notall@evan Powerful people in both dominant cultures and dominated cultures count on the less powerful to identify with their culture rather than have solidarity with people in the same economic circumstances.
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@being you are, and you should read the rest of the thread. In western multiculturalism we treat immigrant and indigenous cultures as secondary and subordinate and I want to think about other ways. One is to define Canada as the people who are here right now, and Canadian culture as the things those people make and do.
@evan I did read the rest of the thread! Just think I disagree based on my own understanding of multiculturalism in the West (somewhat influenced by my degree in Africana Studies) :)
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@modulusshift @being do they have to be uniquely Canadian to be Canadian? Or is Canadian food just the food that Canadians eat, unique or not?
@evan @modulusshift something being uniquely Canadian does make something more Canadian, yes. Concepts are defined to encompass an idea in distinction from another. I think we have to watch out for inclusion becoming erasure - calling arepas Canadian undermines their actual origin, in my opinion.
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@evan
How do things like cultural appropriation jive with this? I know you've posted in the past about the appropriateness of cooking recipes from another culture, which I found strange because the power imbalance was the opposite than I would have expected.It seems more useful to talk about raw power imbalances. Yes, acknowledge there are patterns in who is powerful and who lacks agency, but focusing on the imbalance and the abuses, which go from powerful to powerless.
#notall@virtuous_sloth I don't have an easy answer for that!
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@dneary I'll go through it tomorrow!
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@oblomov @las_lallero non mi è chiara la tua opinione, perché c'è un incrocio
Nel mio caso una giornalista dice "liberato dai russi", e non è detto che sia detto da chi è filorusso, semplicemente per me non è corretto non solo per precisione ma perché dà una versione semplicistica al pubblico (i russi, quelli lì che bevono vodka, e non l'armata sovietica, un qualcosa che si è formato in un particolar modo, con soldati russi ma di tutte le etnie ecc), quindi può essere semplice sciatteria
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The masculine urge to give yourself a stick and poke with a caribou bone miles from the nearest soap or antiseptic.
Same tough guy. He seemingly really knows what he's doing in the woods, but he is also a giant dumbass. So...I dunno.
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is there a rationale? are they supposed to be functional in some way?
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Ma porca puttana ancora co' sto Substack. Ma non impariamo proprio niente, eh.
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@brentsimmons Crazy theory: leftover window Aqua code that got somehow reactivated in some effect layer during a cocaine fueled vibe-coding session.
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Cat owners. Which of the following apply to your "cat"?
Not all cats are also "kitty cats" IMO I think this applies to those pet cats that are cute and manipulative OR innocent.
Of course not all cats are "moggies"
And not every cat is even a cat.
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@brentsimmons or the main window content that looks like it's a sticker that you could peel off?
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How are these stripes good UI?
