I need to figure out how I can set up a self-hosted system to sell my documentary The Illusionists

[jens@social.finkhaeuser.de]

@elena @luca Honestly this is a Hard Problem ™.

Fundamentally, the federated platform as well as any P2P-based or -assisted system essentially lives from duplicating content chunks liberally.

And in such a system, any kind of protection from unauthorized access, of which pirated copies are merely one use case, essentially comes down to content encryption: you grant access by handing out decryption keys.

So for your use cases, you're basically asking for time limited decryption.

1/n

[jens@social.finkhaeuser.de]

@elena @luca Time-limited decryption is not *really* a solved problem. If you have a decryption key, it can decrypt.

So the two solutions that exist don't lend themselves too well to federation or P2P.

1. Your client behaves well and doesn't store decryption keys, but re-requests them on use. Then you can time limit whether they get a valid reply.
2. You hand everyone individualized decryption keys and/or watermarked content. In either case, that kills the ability to duplicate content.

2/n

[jens@social.finkhaeuser.de]

@elena @luca I haven't yet seen a system which would avoid both approaches. Most layer the problem, and introduce trusted agents at some point, which is #1 in disguise. They may be more manageable, and good enough? I don't really know any.

My best hope here is some zero knowledge proof based system, but they're still, hmm. Let's say they introduce constraints of their own, so it's difficult to derive a generalized solution.

I keep coming back to trying to solve this 🤷

3/3

[luca@sironi.xyz]

@jens @elena

Very interesting points.
By the way I don't believe so much in encrypted content, for whatever kind of content, ebooks, dvd, or the occasional video on demand.

If I really want, I can open obs and record my computer screen.

Of course, is not going to be as awesome as a peer tube p2p streaming that it's shared by all people watching the video in the same time, but maybe something could be done via plugin.

Federating just comments, or a trailer, adding payment plugins, maybe something exists already, I don't know, unfortunately video is a niche where I'm just a spectator.

[nicol@social.coop]

@elena " its founder worked for DOGE"

😮 😮 didn't know that.

[nicol@social.coop]

@elena interesting - Sahil Lavingia's framing is that he'd applied to United States Digital Service under Obama, but struggled with the hiring process and found this as a way to work with the government thru 'the side door'.
https://www.fastcompany.com/91330297/doge-sahil-lavignia-gumroad

I'm not sure if he was genuine but naïve or something worse. He def sounds Valley Hustle, mechanise-all-the-workers https://creativerly.com/the-dark-side-of-gumroad-how-sahil-lavingia-got-involved-with-doge/

But I also missed that he'd open sourced Gumroad - so that's another option I guess! https://github.com/antiwork/gumroad

[lutindiscret@mastodon.libre-entreprise.com]

@elena demander à @GuillaumeDesjardins qui fait https://bunseed.org il a déjà monté des plateformes auto hébergées avec financement. C'est basé sur peertube et... Ghost.

[prinlu@0x.trans.fail]

@elena perhaps this is a good opportunity to collaborate on a feature like this with @freebliss who wrote and continues to develop #hyper8 selfhosting video solution

[justbob@kolektiva.social]

@elena

I've often thought about this very problem for music in the #Fediverse.

Like ghost is doing for writing, it would be incredible to have a video and audio Fediverse server app.

I'm trying to get a ghost server to get people off from substack but it would be fantastic to get people off from Bandcamp too.

I call it #TakeTheInternetBack

[oaj@mastodon.com.pl]

@elena: there is a plugin for PeerTube that lets you to hook into Stripe APIs to handle payments. Maybe that's what you are looking for?

[lutindiscret@mastodon.libre-entreprise.com]

@elena aussi peut-être @bebop

[ahltorp@mastodon.nu]

@elena @luca I think the answer depends a lot on how much trouble you want people to go through if they want to view it in a way that is not authorised by you.

In your situation, I would set the level at ”anything that you can do with a normal web browser without any plugins or special technical knowledge”, but I am not you, so this level might not be high enough. But I believe you need to think about what is acceptable to you.

[luca@sironi.xyz]

@ahltorp @elena yeah, still, i don't think there is pretty much, even centralized but selfhost.

If such a thing exist, we would know as users.

Also, as a person living abroad, I'm somehow extremely interested in vod, meaning I'd rather pay 10 euro to watch a single recent movie, maybe an italian one, from home than to subscribe one of those commercial giants and watch just their catalog.

Market seems to think otherwise

[freebliss@post.lurk.org]

@prinlu @jana @elena Admittedly I don't have a ready-made architectural plan for how this could work in Hyper 8 yet (much less the funds to work one out right now), but as a general perspective I consider this a very interesting usecase and certainly something worth exploring! Thanks for sharing o/

[antoine_ali@social.zarrouk.eu]

@nicol @elena Unless one is looking to be paid only in crypto, credit card companies will be implicated. And looking at some recent-ish news, I'd be more concerned by their practices.

(Last example in date I have is them forcing steam and itch.io to delist games by pushing payment processors to pressure those stores)

This only to say, where money is involved there will always be some less than stellar actor involved.

My advice, do what you want with it as I never tried to sell content online : Look for services that anser your needs first. Then ask around to see how they treat their customers (you) and as important or maybe more : your customers.

Only then, if you have the luxury of choice, I would look at who made what and their history.

I hope you find a platform / service that's good for you though.

[elena@aseachange.com]

@heinragas I'd rather make it available for streaming. With VHX (I've been on their legacy plan since it was purchased by Vimeo) I get an email every time someone rents my film... the viewers get a unique streaming link that expires after 48 hours, it's just so well done...

[elena@aseachange.com]

@Mika thank you but this would be too labor intensive and requires advanced knowledge.

When someone rents my film on VHX, the system takes care of everything, sending them a unique URL that's password protected and that expires after 48 hours. One could even gift the film to a friend or family member. It's simple but sophisticated at the same time...

[elena@aseachange.com]

@MathGon too much manual labor, sadly. With VHX the system takes care of everything (payments, sending people a unique URL that's password protected and that expires after 48 hours). I don't have to do anything...

[elena@aseachange.com]

@steter that's really interesting, I wasn't aware of this on Faircamp. I'll keep it in mind :)

[elena@aseachange.com]

@nicol oh wow I didn't know he had open sourced Gumroad! that's amazing. I may reconsider...