@nazokiyoubinbou @Viss Exactly

[viss@mastodon.social]

@h2onolan @ai6yr if they have some kinda impactful result, absolutely. if it means someone gets fired, or loses an election, or loses funding, or all their customers go away - yep.

but right now we live in a time where you point at the nazi, and everyone watches them do some nazi shit, and then they just go back to giving them money.

calling a spade a spade is no longer enough to make changes happen.

[davemwilburn@infosec.exchange]

@Viss

I've heard of some successful deradicalization strategies, but they all seem unreliable and unscalable and require the patience of a saint. Basically, you have to invest months or years into earning their trust, withholding judgment even when they do or say the most ludicrous nonsense, and hope that at some point they'll realize the errors of their ways on their own terms and want to confide in you. Unfortunately, deradicalization takes orders of magnitude more time and energy than their initial radicalization, and they have to want it.

[chillicampari@layer8.space]

@Viss agreed. At one time I thought once people had the data|tools|resources that I presumed was missing- people would of course realize the irrationality of their argument or behavior. I was 100% wrong.

[cityhallin@infosec.exchange]

@Viss Fact: Humans do the weirdest shit for the weirdest reasons.

[h2onolan@infosec.exchange]

@Viss @ai6yr yes, very difficult. And once you start actively removing nazis and nazi adjacent and nazi collaborators from your life and commerce you find the options for everything are limited

[viss@mastodon.social]

@h2onolan @ai6yr lots of time for making hotsauce now :D

[da_667@infosec.exchange]

@Viss ^{squirt of lemon}

[suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io]

@DaveMWilburn sounds a lot like addiction medicine.
@Viss

[viss@mastodon.social]

@da_667 there are so many gifs in here. i wish i could get access to the sourcecode for gif brewery 3

[viss@mastodon.social]

@suzannealdrich @DaveMWilburn thats the "sunk cost" fallacy. the hope that things will go your way just because you put so much time and effort into it

[suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io]

@Viss
That’s because they used to feel some kind of shame. At least for a few decades, we’d been able to normalize being a decent human being instead of a bigot or misogynist. That got rolled back by the anti woke brigade.
@h2onolan@infused.exchange @ai6yr

[davemwilburn@infosec.exchange]

@Viss @suzannealdrich

Yeah, but the "things" that you hope to get your way in this case are people and your relationships with them, and arguably that's worth a bit more. I have respect for the folks that put their effort into this. I just don't think that's my vocation. I don't have the patience or inclination for it.

[ncrazed@fd00.space]

@da_667 @Viss thought I got to the point of reference while watching. Then I got to the point of reference 🤣

[undead@masto.hackers.town]

@Viss @da_667

omg... this is like flashing back to my D&D character when I was 14.

[undead@masto.hackers.town]

@Viss @da_667

When we retired the character, he became a demigod weaponsmith. Mostly because all of the other dieties, infernal and celestial, just wanted to keep him really busy and out of their way.

[viss@mastodon.social]

@undead @da_667 haha like being promoted to get you the hell out with less struggle

[undead@masto.hackers.town]

@Viss @da_667

He knew that was going on, so he made weapons for both sides (chaotic neutral), perfectly usable, but with subtle curses like "gotta take that extra swing" or "this girdle of strength will let me carry a little more through this swamp". Eventually the gods got wise, and gave them away.

Seeded them throughout various campaigns. Hilarious results!

[ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org]

@Viss LOL I bet that cost $45 a can.

[thejikz@infosec.exchange]

@Viss Open Sourca-Cola!

[viss@mastodon.social]

@ai6yr probably more!