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@androcat aha, do you mean you find it hard to get information and connections around your interest areas?
@smallcircles No, I love ghosts, they have the coolest stories, and I don't have to deal with those pesky living people with their racism and their hate.
I also love villages, they're livable, they're walkable and the only real problem is being stuck out in the middle of nowhere, and that downside doesn't really apply online.
And bustling: Every place is full of people I want to hear from.I don't have the time to hear from all of them, but that's just the FOMO speaking.
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Complete this sentence:
"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles New York subway, 02:00 AM.
*Disclaimer: I have never set foot in New York*
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@maikel that is a great list of points. I won't boost, or you get more of what you don't want, but you might consider filing a fediverse idea..
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues
Some of these can be mitigated by nurturing cultural habits.
> 6. The worst one: people use other names instead to call them so filters don't work.
This one in particular. Besides references to toxic people you see it too with folks saying Gaggle, GMAFIA, Farcebook, etc.
Often these names are used in someone's "activism package", but using them is imho more performative to an existing in-group than that they constructively appeal to others and persuade them to join the good cause.
I posted something related to this today. See CALM culture in..
The acronym also litterally means that our social media culture becomes calmer, and there's better separation to where there's activism, and where the natural talk of the town.
@smallcircles feel free to boost.
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@maikel that is a great list of points. I won't boost, or you get more of what you don't want, but you might consider filing a fediverse idea..
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues
Some of these can be mitigated by nurturing cultural habits.
> 6. The worst one: people use other names instead to call them so filters don't work.
This one in particular. Besides references to toxic people you see it too with folks saying Gaggle, GMAFIA, Farcebook, etc.
Often these names are used in someone's "activism package", but using them is imho more performative to an existing in-group than that they constructively appeal to others and persuade them to join the good cause.
I posted something related to this today. See CALM culture in..
The acronym also litterally means that our social media culture becomes calmer, and there's better separation to where there's activism, and where the natural talk of the town.
@smallcircles this all sound quite interesting.
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@smallcircles this all sound quite interesting.
@maikel thank youl. I am fascinated by this intersection between social and technical, and the ability to collaborate at scale in grassroots environments to make that be more seamless.
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@maikel thank youl. I am fascinated by this intersection between social and technical, and the ability to collaborate at scale in grassroots environments to make that be more seamless.
@smallcircles I think you and I have some common goals. I was doing this over Christmas, then stopped because I realised I didn't want to build one for just LGBTQ+ but any minorities (eg: AuDHD). I want any minority to be able to support their own while at the same time, share a "town square".
Non-negotiables
1. Federated and decentralised tech.
2. Opt-in network-wide discovery without centralisation of an index (this is the hard one).
3. Protection in places where we're beheaded for existing (strong e2e is a must and sharing data like absolute location coordinates is a definite NO). -
@smallcircles I think you and I have some common goals. I was doing this over Christmas, then stopped because I realised I didn't want to build one for just LGBTQ+ but any minorities (eg: AuDHD). I want any minority to be able to support their own while at the same time, share a "town square".
Non-negotiables
1. Federated and decentralised tech.
2. Opt-in network-wide discovery without centralisation of an index (this is the hard one).
3. Protection in places where we're beheaded for existing (strong e2e is a must and sharing data like absolute location coordinates is a definite NO).@smallcircles first it was about LGBTQ+, then I started to think about autistics, adhd, neurodivergencies, then about BAME.
Most of it, mimics algorithms I have already in my head about minimising the cost of a UK Nat Rep survey (e.g.: the more rare a participant is, the more expensive it becomes in e.g: Cint) for a previous job.
But each layer has to be carefully thought to be the most respectful and inclusive possible.
(part of why I'm preparing for a psychology degree to get some specialisation into Social Psychology).
The goal is, a dating / support app (the fact it is both things is key) where you can find people ....
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@smallcircles first it was about LGBTQ+, then I started to think about autistics, adhd, neurodivergencies, then about BAME.
Most of it, mimics algorithms I have already in my head about minimising the cost of a UK Nat Rep survey (e.g.: the more rare a participant is, the more expensive it becomes in e.g: Cint) for a previous job.
But each layer has to be carefully thought to be the most respectful and inclusive possible.
(part of why I'm preparing for a psychology degree to get some specialisation into Social Psychology).
The goal is, a dating / support app (the fact it is both things is key) where you can find people ....
...like you, no matter how weird you consider yourself to either date or build a support network when you live in a place where that's absolutely necessary for survival.
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@maikel that is a great list of points. I won't boost, or you get more of what you don't want, but you might consider filing a fediverse idea..
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues
Some of these can be mitigated by nurturing cultural habits.
> 6. The worst one: people use other names instead to call them so filters don't work.
This one in particular. Besides references to toxic people you see it too with folks saying Gaggle, GMAFIA, Farcebook, etc.
Often these names are used in someone's "activism package", but using them is imho more performative to an existing in-group than that they constructively appeal to others and persuade them to join the good cause.
I posted something related to this today. See CALM culture in..
The acronym also litterally means that our social media culture becomes calmer, and there's better separation to where there's activism, and where the natural talk of the town.
@smallcircles @maikel I am especially annoyed by this practice of referring to companies and people you don't like by dysphemisms, as if saying their real name would summon them like Candyman. Thus "the orange site" instead of Hackernews, "the bird site" instead of Twitter, etc.
I suspect this might have had some utility on Twitter or other corporate media sites, where bot armies would search for a name so they could brigade anyone who disparaged their favorite site or person. But here it's just annoying, and, as you point out, plays hell with filters. -
@smallcircles @maikel I am especially annoyed by this practice of referring to companies and people you don't like by dysphemisms, as if saying their real name would summon them like Candyman. Thus "the orange site" instead of Hackernews, "the bird site" instead of Twitter, etc.
I suspect this might have had some utility on Twitter or other corporate media sites, where bot armies would search for a name so they could brigade anyone who disparaged their favorite site or person. But here it's just annoying, and, as you point out, plays hell with filters.@cholling agreed and I've seen an innumerable amount of toots requesting for this to stop from different people and nothing ever changing.
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Complete this sentence:
"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles Cozy neighborhood within a bustling city.
Aside from a few Mastodon instances (two topical and one location-based), I haven't yet explored the rest, e.g. Lemmy, PeerTube, etc. even though I'm aware of their presence, which makes the Fediverse feel bigger than a village.
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Complete this sentence:
"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles
A scattering of one-off housing built like the Hut on Fowl's Legs. -
Complete this sentence:
"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles I'd probably say a city, but more wide than dense, and a bit like Morrowind's map if you have played it. In the beginning, all of it looks empty and locations become visible when you discover them. You'll find more and more people, interesting posts etc. Though if you have niche interests and those who share them (if they exist) haven't moved to the fediverse yet, you might still be talking to the void a lot.
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Complete this sentence:
"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles @_elena Local pub full of software devs
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"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles Fedi feels like a permanently disrupted meeting in which everyone is shouting, trying to get everyone else to listen to Their Very Important Point
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"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles Liberated zone.
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@smallcircles I'd probably say a city, but more wide than dense, and a bit like Morrowind's map if you have played it. In the beginning, all of it looks empty and locations become visible when you discover them. You'll find more and more people, interesting posts etc. Though if you have niche interests and those who share them (if they exist) haven't moved to the fediverse yet, you might still be talking to the void a lot.
@Carl_Gylling oh yes, did I play Morrowind. Love the comparison, thanks :)
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"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles relatively quiet respite near the bathrooms at an overcrowded music festival when I can still hear the music from the stage but I'm not interested in the acts right now, and people are having semi private conversations around me that they've been wanting to have all day but waiting until they could hear each other, and the people chatting are here to see the same bands as me.
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@smallcircles relatively quiet respite near the bathrooms at an overcrowded music festival when I can still hear the music from the stage but I'm not interested in the acts right now, and people are having semi private conversations around me that they've been wanting to have all day but waiting until they could hear each other, and the people chatting are here to see the same bands as me.
@octarine_wiggle I like that description, thanks.
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@smallcircles Fedi feels like a permanently disrupted meeting in which everyone is shouting, trying to get everyone else to listen to Their Very Important Point
@draNgNon that sounds a bit like influencer-style social media then. Is it a cacophony in a good way, or not? Would a Google+ like Circles functionality, such as Bonfire are bringing to the fediverse, bring solace?
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@johannab No, not at all snarky. 💕
What is so interesting is to discern between the technical and social, and I think that most people have a very functional-technical perspective of what it means to communicate online, so to say. Consider it merely as extra channels to interact with others, more choice to connect.
But of course our online social network is much more than merely a channel, and we have to 'project our social' somehow over these thin copper and fiberglass wires, while we try to make sense and interpret the social signals that come from other remote places.
I think we underestimate the impact of communicating online, and the narrow 'social bandwidth' that our current networking tools support. Then we translate online situations to how we would behave offline and get wrong expectations, misconceptions, and subequenctly miscommunications.
We are still all youngers online, still all learning the ropes, while we do social networking offline for 1,000's of years already.
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Awesome!
I hope my response didn't come off snarky, as that wasn't how I meant it - at worst I intended to be a bit pedantic. And relatable analogies are *always* at my fingertips when talking to the inexperienced or "non-tech" social network users, for sure.
But *eventually* we need to draw people in to a little more media- and tech-literate understanding.
I'm bookmarking your blog post, thanks - this is a topic in my current academic modules and my hoped-for masters capstone
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What I particularly like in your definition, is that it makes clear that "fediverse" by itself indicates a pure technosphere. It enables social communication, and merely facilitates it. What people do on that channel, the way they communicate and how they interact with others then determines the social experience.
SX starts to consider a social experience from the most personal perspective, where a person has individual needs wrt their online participation. Then using the "Pyramid of perspective" this scale up to consider inter-personal relationships, and at the top of the pyramid and at the largest scale we shape the constructs of society together.
(Note that SX is a universal solution development methodology, even though it starts with a focus on social web and software development.)
See also: https://coding.social/blog/reimagine-social/#pyramid-of-perspective
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That is a good, more matter of fact characterization to all the analogies indeed. Thank you.
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Other: loosely-bound meta-network of more tightly-bound community or topical networks.
I *describe my experience* using all kinds of analogies such as the other options in this poll.
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@Curry @theraccoonbytes I was thinking of privately reaching out to Casey and PJ first (Kevin has barely used the instance) to see what their plans are for the future...
and then maybe try to assemble a group of volunteers to see if anyone is interested in helping out with hosting, moderation, onboarding, community engagement, etc.
For now whenever I can I browse their local timeline and interact with people to make them feel seen and valued...
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@draNgNon thanks, some very good food for thought.
I think the crucial point is that we do not know and do not offer proper ways to deal with different modes of communication, esp. if the only medium channel constitutes a stream of sticky notes, such as we have here in this #microblogging space.
On the first point, when is something an #EchoChamber vs. a healthy interest area, I think depends how well one is able to cross the 'membranes' of all the various social contexts and information spaces one navigates online, as it were.
There should be a place for 'influencing' to an extent if only to reach your crowd and build community and such. But all in balance and proportion and clear social context preferably. Non-profits and #activist groups want to influence, we may want to be informed.
To the last point. There's urgency to address the dark world situation, and either organize or lose. #SX defines #CALMculture as a way to engage in constructive #activism..
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@theraccoonbytes @_elena Are there specific measures I can be taking to help keep our beloved #forkiverse alive? Besides being active myself?
