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@scooter @baconandcoconut @etsyy when thinking of indifference to suffering in big abstract sociological terms I am often reminded of the discordian sermon on ethics and love:
mal-2: Everywhere people are hurting one another, the planet is rampant with injustices …
eris: WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THAT, IF IT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO?
mal-2: But nobody Wants it! Everybody hates it.
eris: OH. WELL, THEN STOP.
@glyph @baconandcoconut @etsyy Or perhaps Alfred's "Some men just want to watch the world burn" speech from Batman... -
Has happened over and over. Printing press, newspaper, steam, diesel, radio, TV, home recording...
The PTB will always use legislation and brute force to defend their privileged place at the top.
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@baconandcoconut@freeradical.zone @glyph@mastodon.social while this is a beautiful sentiment, it of course begs the question, why is any of it necessary to begin with? why do we consistently recognize pain and suffering and then collectively act against our own best interests?
@etsyy @baconandcoconut @glyph The powerful are excellent at putting us in Nash equilibria that make it very hard for us to escape them.
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@glyph I like to think about it as an alternate future that we veered off the path of. Like we had this idea that computing was going to empower the masses, democratize access to information and power over the discourse. We didn't quite get it, but we tried a lot of times. I still have hope for our timeline.
we have context on this; our activism has allowed us to meet relatively senior people in the industry, in passing (they mostly didn't become lasting relationships because we're too critical of capital)
lots and lots of people up and down the org charts of all the big companies, have sincerely believed in that ideal
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we have context on this; our activism has allowed us to meet relatively senior people in the industry, in passing (they mostly didn't become lasting relationships because we're too critical of capital)
lots and lots of people up and down the org charts of all the big companies, have sincerely believed in that ideal
@baconandcoconut @glyph what changed is that a lot of those people also believed, for ideological reasons, that democratizing information must be compatible with profit. they took that as a given, a thing to never be questioned, and therefore they missed all the red flags as their ideals got subverted
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@baconandcoconut @glyph what changed is that a lot of those people also believed, for ideological reasons, that democratizing information must be compatible with profit. they took that as a given, a thing to never be questioned, and therefore they missed all the red flags as their ideals got subverted
@baconandcoconut @glyph but those of us who share the democratization ideal but come from someplace outside that trap, we have the ability to make that real, if we choose to, if we work together
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@baconandcoconut @glyph but those of us who share the democratization ideal but come from someplace outside that trap, we have the ability to make that real, if we choose to, if we work together
@baconandcoconut @glyph though personally if we were to state our goal for computers it's more about art:
computers should be tools to expand the human potential for creation, discover, and connection with each other
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@baconandcoconut @glyph though personally if we were to state our goal for computers it's more about art:
computers should be tools to expand the human potential for creation, discover, and connection with each other
@baconandcoconut @glyph notice that "democratization" is a theory of change, whereas our thing about potential is a desired end goal. we feel it's important to know what ideal world we're looking for, before we start thinking about the means by which we get there from here.
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@baconandcoconut @glyph notice that "democratization" is a theory of change, whereas our thing about potential is a desired end goal. we feel it's important to know what ideal world we're looking for, before we start thinking about the means by which we get there from here.
@baconandcoconut @glyph there's an alternate lens on "what went wrong" with the ideals everyone held for computing in the 1990s, which is simply that democratizing access information does not automatically lead solely to positive change, such as magnifying self-expression and demolishing the prison in the mind; it also leads to negative change, such as magnifying hate
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@baconandcoconut @glyph there's an alternate lens on "what went wrong" with the ideals everyone held for computing in the 1990s, which is simply that democratizing access information does not automatically lead solely to positive change, such as magnifying self-expression and demolishing the prison in the mind; it also leads to negative change, such as magnifying hate
@baconandcoconut @glyph that way of putting it is also true, but we think it's also important to address why the people who'd been fighting for it stopped doing so, so that's why we lead with the other lens
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@baconandcoconut @glyph that way of putting it is also true, but we think it's also important to address why the people who'd been fighting for it stopped doing so, so that's why we lead with the other lens
@baconandcoconut @glyph this is pretty abstract and we don't know whether anyone is following it, so we'll stop there, but we wanted to share it... we think this kind of analysis is important, it lays the groundwork for strategizing
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@glyph bingo. You have absolutely hit the nail on the head. I've been struggling to articulate this for ages. This is exactly right.
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@glyph ESPECIALLY because then we might think the likes of IBM .... are okay. (THo' yea, we didn't get an IBM computer, we got an IBM clone that dad's co-worker put together in his basement.)
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@glyph Right. THings didn't get taken apart and rebuilt. Some cool things were *built.* And we can figure out new ways to build more good stuff.
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@etsyy @glyph I guess I'm not sure that we do "collectively act against our own best interests?" I think people reliably act in their own best interests but that we don't all agree on what interests we should prioritize for ourselves or our community. I think that privacy is important and others may think that safety and convenience are more important.
@baconandcoconut @etsyy @glyph and ... it takes a critical mass to get momentum.
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@glyph I hold in my left hand the essay _The Californian Ideology_, about the birth of Silicon Valley.
I hold in my right hand Jordan Peele's and Bradley Whitford's note-perfect depiction of the successful white hippie in _Get Out_ in all his self-assured and liberated power to casually oppress.
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@glyph i like the idea that some forms of time are civil and some are not
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@glyph i like the idea that some forms of time are civil and some are not
@glyph barbaric time when
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@glyph barbaric time when
@Forbearance it's a bit less ambiguous than some of the other names for this type of timekeeping, i.e. "wall clock time" which is ambiguous for a few other concepts https://fritter.readthedocs.io/en/latest/civil.html
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@Forbearance it's a bit less ambiguous than some of the other names for this type of timekeeping, i.e. "wall clock time" which is ambiguous for a few other concepts https://fritter.readthedocs.io/en/latest/civil.html
@glyph oh hey you can teach mypy if your times are aware
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
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@Sirchrism le consultazioni sono uno strumento frequentemente adottato dall'Unione
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@rl_dane I once dropped my work Thinkpad down two flights of concrete stairs. Still worked. They're indestructible. 🔥
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Messaggio in codice da Qaanaaq
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Avete fatto bene ad accendere i caloriferi...
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#caturday #CatsOfMastodon #Miagolina
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@poleguy yes, ty! In real time wasd control.
On video below it’s how I see it on pc screen (with actual audio).
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@js wow, that's *TurboTax*?
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@ut3usw that's fun. Are you controlling/calculating this in real time?
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@gmarcosanti buona come la focaccia ligure?
