Is it OK to reverse engineer the recipes for restaurant dishes so you can make them at home?
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@evan I don't think there is even copyright protection for recipes, at least in the EU, and I would suspect everywhere else too.
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@evan I would say yes, but also: There are ingredients and prep work for a lot of great dishes that only really make sense at if you're feeding a lot of people or if you plan on eating a whole lot of that one thing for awhile.
I've attempted some recipes from favorite restaurants and afterward just been like, "you know what? let's leave this one to the pros"
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@evan I would say yes, but also: There are ingredients and prep work for a lot of great dishes that only really make sense at if you're feeding a lot of people or if you plan on eating a whole lot of that one thing for awhile.
I've attempted some recipes from favorite restaurants and afterward just been like, "you know what? let's leave this one to the pros"
@lmorchard @evan some dishes are better made at home, some are better made at scale, and some need adaptions to function on either scenario.
But morality doesn't feature in that, just practicality. Food is life, let's keep copyright out of that.
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@evan 100%, no question. There's a long history of recipes being in the commons. Even when written down, they're not eligible for copyright protection.
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@evan is this a post about IP law and enshittification?
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@evan Well... Why reverse engineer? Everytime I had asked I was given the recipe gladly. For dishes, cocktails, deserts... Social engineering, if you want to call it that way. :)
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@evan recipes are not copyrighted
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@evan is this a post about IP law and enshittification?
@devlord no, it's about recipes and restaurants.
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@evan recipes are not copyrighted
@liilliil are there things that are unrelated to copyright that are still not OK?
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@lmorchard @evan some dishes are better made at home, some are better made at scale, and some need adaptions to function on either scenario.
But morality doesn't feature in that, just practicality. Food is life, let's keep copyright out of that.
@lizzard @lmorchard so, just wondering: why is everyone so hung up on copyright? The question doesn't ask about copyright at all.
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@evan 100%, no question. There's a long history of recipes being in the commons. Even when written down, they're not eligible for copyright protection.
@swelljoe so, is it possible for something to be unrelated to copyright and still not OK?
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@evan I don't think there is even copyright protection for recipes, at least in the EU, and I would suspect everywhere else too.
@micke is it possible for something to be acceptable within copyright law and yet still not OK to do?
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@liilliil are there things that are unrelated to copyright that are still not OK?
@evan can't even guess what, for example. Chef will be upset? ;)
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@evan Why would mixing a particular combination of food ingredients in a particular order ever be immoral just because someone else mixed the same combination in the same order previously? That would be some magical incantation!
@virtuous_sloth why indeed! Did you come up with any ideas?
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@swelljoe so, is it possible for something to be unrelated to copyright and still not OK?
@evan of course. But, copyright was a secondary piece of evidence for my assertion about recipes, not the primary one. Copyright cannot be claimed on a recipe because culturally, recipes were considered in the public domain long before copyright existed. Humanity throughout history thinks you should be allowed to make nice meals.
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@virtuous_sloth why indeed! Did you come up with any ideas?
@evan I have no need to; I answered yes.
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@virtuous_sloth why indeed! Did you come up with any ideas?
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@evan I have no need to; I answered yes.
@virtuous_sloth complex minds sometimes try to stretch their boundaries and see things from another point of view.
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@virtuous_sloth complex minds sometimes try to stretch their boundaries and see things from another point of view.
@evan Oh don't worry, I'm aware of the other point of view. I know it too well. I know it well enough to know of the absolute destruction it has done.
So if I choose not to entertain it by speaking it, it is not because of lack of curiosity.
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@evan Well... Why reverse engineer? Everytime I had asked I was given the recipe gladly. For dishes, cocktails, deserts... Social engineering, if you want to call it that way. :)
@jesterchen this is definitely an interesting line of reasoning! Question back: is there a significant difference between asking for the recipe, and reverse-engineering it?
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@liilliil well, in other contexts, calling someone a racist slur is not OK, even if it's not prohibited by copyright law. So, "there's no copyright problem" does not automatically mean that the activity is OK. An extreme example but hopefully we've established that copyright is not the be-all and end-all of ethics.
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@jesterchen this is definitely an interesting line of reasoning! Question back: is there a significant difference between asking for the recipe, and reverse-engineering it?
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@evan Oh don't worry, I'm aware of the other point of view. I know it too well. I know it well enough to know of the absolute destruction it has done.
So if I choose not to entertain it by speaking it, it is not because of lack of curiosity.
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@virtuous_sloth complex minds sometimes try to stretch their boundaries and see things from another point of view.
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@evan
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@evan I have no need to; I answered yes.
