Another small victory today.'nA salesperson had almost convinced a client to move their email from 365 to Google because "they hold all the cards now".
Senza categoria
48
Post
26
Autori
0
Visualizzazioni
-
@stefano how does one do that nowadays ? I feel like it used to be possible to do that back in the day … but I thought it was well nigh impossible nowadays to avoid email going into some black hole if not on some well known service? And i am a nerd! Lol. Is there a good write up anywhere ?
@fodwyer There's the "Run your own Mail Server" by @mwl and it's covering all the aspects.
I've written something here: https://it-notes.dragas.net/2024/03/08/make-your-own-email-server-freebsd-opensmptd-rspamd-dovecot-part1/This will give you a working and reliable mail server but be sure to have a clean IP address.
-
@stefano there is even an open source exchange-like server. Will you propose that or a more standard solution with postfix, imap etc?
@gunstick I'll propose a standard solution but with OpenSMTPD, dovecot (or cyrus imap), etc.
-
@CyReVolt @orcanize I've been doing this for more than 20 years, so I can manage it. If you have the right software, trained in the right way, the right records and a clean IP, everything will be fine. Occasional false positives/negatives will still occur, but I've seen Google mailboxes' emails marked as spam by other Google accounts - so...
-
presenting technically correct information, without a financial gain bias, isn't guaranteed to work every time but it's definitely worth trying every time. sometimes, the right thing happens.
@paul_ipv6 exactly. Here, there is also financial gain so they're happy^2.
-
@CyReVolt @stefano This is the kind of info a beginner like me needs to understand about email servers and OpenBSD. Could you comment on completeness and correctness of this guide?
https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/12aydcc/beginners_guide_to_simple_selfhosted_email_on/
@MHowell @CyReVolt that's a good guide. I've also written something about it: https://it-notes.dragas.net/2024/03/08/make-your-own-email-server-freebsd-opensmptd-rspamd-dovecot-part1/
-
@stefano tell me you were cheering with an espresso cup in the hand, equivalent of "dropping mic" for the nerds :)
@omar oh, I did 😆
-
-
@stefano Good, you won a battle, but the war is still here to stay. Here, we (all people with the same ideas about) lost the battle in our national research institution. The prospect is that those monopolies will start to accept email only from qualified/registered peers, citing spam as the excuse, not too far in the future.
@gisgeek unfortunately, this will likely happen. "Security reasons" is the best way to close their own systems. Even if most of the spam I'm receiving is from legit Google or MS accounts as rspamd is filtering the others out.
-
@stefano Good for you!
I just lost that battle - we are moving from onprem Exchange to 365 because the CEO wants all those shiny cloud integrations for their calendar.@thechris I know what it means 😔
-
Another small victory today.
A salesperson had almost convinced a client to move their email from 365 to Google because "they hold all the cards now". I stepped in and suggested they keep their email on servers that they control instead. The salesperson almost mocked me, treating me like a "nerd" who doesn't understand how the world works.
I was happy to be a nerd, if necessary, to explain the pros and cons of the solution to the client.
The result? The salesperson was politely thanked and "sent home", and I'm now evaluating some details of the new mail server, which, by the client's choice, will be based on OpenBSD.Because people need explanations, not brochures.
@stefano@bsd.cafe not so small victory I think!
-
@stefano@bsd.cafe not so small victory I think!
@oldsysops exactly. every single bit counts.
-
Another small victory today.
A salesperson had almost convinced a client to move their email from 365 to Google because "they hold all the cards now". I stepped in and suggested they keep their email on servers that they control instead. The salesperson almost mocked me, treating me like a "nerd" who doesn't understand how the world works.
I was happy to be a nerd, if necessary, to explain the pros and cons of the solution to the client.
The result? The salesperson was politely thanked and "sent home", and I'm now evaluating some details of the new mail server, which, by the client's choice, will be based on OpenBSD.Because people need explanations, not brochures.
@stefano
"Holds all the cards?"
U should have told him: "Yes True, but only if we don't know how to self host and rely on a corporate selling pitches to decide what's good for us" -
@stefano
"Holds all the cards?"
U should have told him: "Yes True, but only if we don't know how to self host and rely on a corporate selling pitches to decide what's good for us"@vivekanandanks It's roughly what I said, but in an extremely subtle way. The client understood it perfectly, the salesperson did not.
-
Another small victory today.
A salesperson had almost convinced a client to move their email from 365 to Google because "they hold all the cards now". I stepped in and suggested they keep their email on servers that they control instead. The salesperson almost mocked me, treating me like a "nerd" who doesn't understand how the world works.
I was happy to be a nerd, if necessary, to explain the pros and cons of the solution to the client.
The result? The salesperson was politely thanked and "sent home", and I'm now evaluating some details of the new mail server, which, by the client's choice, will be based on OpenBSD.Because people need explanations, not brochures.
@stefano ah, the dreaded “real world” which has its wars of “running”:/(
Congrats
-
@stefano ah, the dreaded “real world” which has its wars of “running”:/(
Congrats
@mms thank you. Yes, exactly. The "real world"
-
Another small victory today.
A salesperson had almost convinced a client to move their email from 365 to Google because "they hold all the cards now". I stepped in and suggested they keep their email on servers that they control instead. The salesperson almost mocked me, treating me like a "nerd" who doesn't understand how the world works.
I was happy to be a nerd, if necessary, to explain the pros and cons of the solution to the client.
The result? The salesperson was politely thanked and "sent home", and I'm now evaluating some details of the new mail server, which, by the client's choice, will be based on OpenBSD.Because people need explanations, not brochures.
@stefano Nice, well done!
Gli ultimi otto messaggi ricevuti dalla Federazione
-
@fucinafibonacci @spettacoli
Inidio voi, che avete vissuto certa musica, pure con lo spirito giusto ...
Se i CCCP raccotnavano la porvinci modernizzata, ci sono stati luoghi ben piu'depressi e schiavi che sembravano felici.
-
@Matt_Noyes Some really nice folks made this guide, which I referenced in my talk:
https://wiki.social.coop/wiki/How_to_Make_the_Fediverse_Your_Own
-
This was kind of a tough question for me; I'm not sure I understood it fully. I answered it incorrectly the first time and the audience member had to re-ask it later in the Q&A!
-
@fucinafibonacci @filippodb @spettacoli grandeeeeee
-
Hello everyone! My talk for Berlin Fediverse Day 2025: "Protocols and Purpose in a Global Democratic Crisis" is starting in just a few minutes (at :15 past the hour) https://c-tube.c-base.org/w/wKd1Zxa4848CScxurUam6T
This will be a very timely and topical talk. I'll be there for Q&A too!
-
But making sure there are listed names and faces for our trust and safety team available to members, a description of how confidential reports are handled, and that members are able to appeal decisions, is all important work.
-
@evan There's an article there: how to start a cooperative social media platform. Who's in?
