Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
@Stefan Bohacek My own followers. Hubzilla doesn't grant anyone else permission to see the post, much less interact with or reply to it.
Essentially, here on Hubzilla, "followers only" amounts to posting to a privacy group (think Mastodon list, but more powerful) that contains everyone who follows me. That wouldn't be a public post, though, and Mastodon would understand it as a DM.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
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Do you mean re-post?@saxicola Not quite.
When I post a followers-only post, a follower can reply to it, their followers can see that reply, and may reply as well, without actually seeing my original post, if they are not my followers.
This both creates fragmented conversations (my follower's followers may not see the original post), but also potentially leaks personal information.
Eg. I may share something personal with a handful of followers, like a health status update, a well-meaning follower with a large number of their own followers wishes me a speedy recovery, and then a ton of strangers can deduce that I'm dealing with sickness.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
ā Anyone my followers can feasibly reach; effectively, the majority of the Fediverse
The āpost to my followersā setting specifies the *immediate recipients* of my post. That doesn't limit to whom those people will later boost my post, increasing its audience.
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@stefan my answer to similar question - https://mastodon.social/@dahukanna/116030109485498081
@dahukanna the Venn diagram is not the same as "mutual MOF + RF only"? @stefan
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@dahukanna the Venn diagram is not the same as "mutual MOF + RF only"? @stefan
The set theory ven diagram is the original followers set/group who can see the original post (MOF). Any mutuals (A ā (Bn: >=1) >= 0) between original poster:A and followers, where ānā=followers of followers set: Bn will be covered the original post audience and is a āred-herringā distraction.
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Hey fediverse, quick question for you.
Generally speaking, when you post a followers-only post, who do you expect to see replies from?
Thanks everyone for voting and sharing your opinion!
Looking at the results, I think this does support the idea that maybe replies to followers-only posts should be automatically private mentions?
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Thanks everyone for voting and sharing your opinion!
Looking at the results, I think this does support the idea that maybe replies to followers-only posts should be automatically private mentions?
@stefan Are you joking? 77% said "my own followers"! How could that possibly mean "me only"?
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@stefan Are you joking? 77% said "my own followers"! How could that possibly mean "me only"?
@evan Well the question was:
"Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
So if you only expect to hear from your followers, without reply controls, the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you, or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
I think private mentions handle this well and rather simply.
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@evan Well the question was:
"Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
So if you only expect to hear from your followers, without reply controls, the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you, or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
I think private mentions handle this well and rather simply.
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online @evan@cosocial.ca The problem with Private Mentions is it doesn't allow for new followers and there is a character limit making mentioned be very limited when you have anywhere close to 100+ followers
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@evan Well the question was:
"Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
So if you only expect to hear from your followers, without reply controls, the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you, or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
I think private mentions handle this well and rather simply.
The question was: "Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
And the overwhelmingly most popular answer was "My own followers".
When people say that they expect their followers to see replies, then they expect their followers to see replies.
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The question was: "Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
And the overwhelmingly most popular answer was "My own followers".
When people say that they expect their followers to see replies, then they expect their followers to see replies.
You said:
> So if you only expect to hear from your followers,
That wasn't the question.
> without reply controls,
Irrelevant.
> the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you,
No, to your *followers*, which is what everyone said?
> or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
That was an option and an unpopular answer.
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You said:
> So if you only expect to hear from your followers,
That wasn't the question.
> without reply controls,
Irrelevant.
> the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you,
No, to your *followers*, which is what everyone said?
> or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
That was an option and an unpopular answer.
@evan Yes, perhaps I could have phrased the original question better.
My thinking was, currently, a follower can reply to a followers-only post, with a followers-only reply.
So their followers can reply back to you, without seeing the original post, potentially deducing and further exposing personal information contained in the original post.
This is a dilemma I myself have sometimes, when I see a followers-only post. Sometimes it just makes sense for me to reply directly, eg. health status updates.
If I replied with a followers-only post saying "good luck with the heart surgery", all my followers will deduce that Alice is having a heart surgery.
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@evan Yes, perhaps I could have phrased the original question better.
My thinking was, currently, a follower can reply to a followers-only post, with a followers-only reply.
So their followers can reply back to you, without seeing the original post, potentially deducing and further exposing personal information contained in the original post.
This is a dilemma I myself have sometimes, when I see a followers-only post. Sometimes it just makes sense for me to reply directly, eg. health status updates.
If I replied with a followers-only post saying "good luck with the heart surgery", all my followers will deduce that Alice is having a heart surgery.
@evan But it can also be a bit awkward when a mutual I don't know too well posts a followers-only post, and I show up "in their DMs", so to speak, when I'm just trying to be mindful of their privacy.
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@evan Yes, perhaps I could have phrased the original question better.
My thinking was, currently, a follower can reply to a followers-only post, with a followers-only reply.
So their followers can reply back to you, without seeing the original post, potentially deducing and further exposing personal information contained in the original post.
This is a dilemma I myself have sometimes, when I see a followers-only post. Sometimes it just makes sense for me to reply directly, eg. health status updates.
If I replied with a followers-only post saying "good luck with the heart surgery", all my followers will deduce that Alice is having a heart surgery.
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@evan Yes, perhaps I could have phrased the original question better.
My thinking was, currently, a follower can reply to a followers-only post, with a followers-only reply.
So their followers can reply back to you, without seeing the original post, potentially deducing and further exposing personal information contained in the original post.
This is a dilemma I myself have sometimes, when I see a followers-only post. Sometimes it just makes sense for me to reply directly, eg. health status updates.
If I replied with a followers-only post saying "good luck with the heart surgery", all my followers will deduce that Alice is having a heart surgery.
@stefan I think you're tying yourself in a lot of knots to not accept that what people want, when they get replies to their followers-only posts, is to have those replies visible to their followers.
When you see a followers-only post, the default audience for your reply should be the OP's followers.
I'd like to make it clear that this is possible with ActivityPub, and it's the way other social networks handle this feature.
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@stefan I think you're tying yourself in a lot of knots to not accept that what people want, when they get replies to their followers-only posts, is to have those replies visible to their followers.
When you see a followers-only post, the default audience for your reply should be the OP's followers.
I'd like to make it clear that this is possible with ActivityPub, and it's the way other social networks handle this feature.
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If *you* think that your message should be between you and Alice, wouldn't be *your* responsibility to set it to private?
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@evan But it can also be a bit awkward when a mutual I don't know too well posts a followers-only post, and I show up "in their DMs", so to speak, when I'm just trying to be mindful of their privacy.
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@evan Yes, perhaps I could have phrased the original question better.
My thinking was, currently, a follower can reply to a followers-only post, with a followers-only reply.
So their followers can reply back to you, without seeing the original post, potentially deducing and further exposing personal information contained in the original post.
This is a dilemma I myself have sometimes, when I see a followers-only post. Sometimes it just makes sense for me to reply directly, eg. health status updates.
If I replied with a followers-only post saying "good luck with the heart surgery", all my followers will deduce that Alice is having a heart surgery.
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You said:
> So if you only expect to hear from your followers,
That wasn't the question.
> without reply controls,
Irrelevant.
> the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you,
No, to your *followers*, which is what everyone said?
> or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
That was an option and an unpopular answer.
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The question was: "Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
And the overwhelmingly most popular answer was "My own followers".
When people say that they expect their followers to see replies, then they expect their followers to see replies.
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@stefan@stefanbohacek.online @evan@cosocial.ca The problem with Private Mentions is it doesn't allow for new followers and there is a character limit making mentioned be very limited when you have anywhere close to 100+ followers
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@evan Well the question was:
"Who do you expect to see replies from when you post a followers-only post?"
So if you only expect to hear from your followers, without reply controls, the visibility of the replies to your post would have to be limited only to you, or, potentially, to you and mutual followers of you and the person replying, but not the followers of the person replying that don't follow you directly.
I think private mentions handle this well and rather simply.
