So the good thing about Linux distros switching to Wayland long before Wayland is remotely ready is that contact with real-world users will make the "pain points" visible so they can be fixed.
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So the good thing about Linux distros switching to Wayland long before Wayland is remotely ready is that contact with real-world users will make the "pain points" visible so they can be fixed. But the bad thing is. I do not actually believe the "pain points" will be fixed. Ever
@mcc I am a strong believer that this happens because peak Linux culture is where you gaslight yourself into believing it's all holy and perfect and then never report all the broken shit
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So the good thing about Linux distros switching to Wayland long before Wayland is remotely ready is that contact with real-world users will make the "pain points" visible so they can be fixed. But the bad thing is. I do not actually believe the "pain points" will be fixed. Ever
@mcc what are some of the pain points?
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@not2b @mcc They weren't really fixable, either, like at a protocol level, and all of the extensions and workarounds that modern X software was using ended up fully degrading the X11 experience to the extent that there wasn't even any advantage to trying to work with it anymore.
But there were also 10 major versions of X that came before X11, and X itself was a successor to W, so one would hope that X would have learned its lessons by then, too.
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So the good thing about Linux distros switching to Wayland long before Wayland is remotely ready is that contact with real-world users will make the "pain points" visible so they can be fixed. But the bad thing is. I do not actually believe the "pain points" will be fixed. Ever
@mcc one thing i noticed while trying to find a solution to my most recent injury is there's been bugs open for it for *years*
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@mcc I am a strong believer that this happens because peak Linux culture is where you gaslight yourself into believing it's all holy and perfect and then never report all the broken shit
@gsuberland @mcc they get reported, they just get fixed at a glacial pace, if they gets fixed at all.
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@gsuberland @mcc they get reported, they just get fixed at a glacial pace, if they gets fixed at all.
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@aeva @mcc so for example KiCAD used to have a metric shitload of bugs and annoyances and crashes, it was genuinely not good. and then a few of the devs decided to get together and run these community feedback things where they asked "what's the most annoying bug?" and such by email campaigns. and then devs took that feedback and turned them into bug tickets and fixed them. the bandwidth was always there, just people were putting up with the problems and never getting around to reporting them.
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@gsuberland @mcc the majority of my grievances with wayland have had bugs open for years and people pleading for them to be fixed
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@gsuberland @mcc the majority of my grievances with wayland have had bugs open for years and people pleading for them to be fixed
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@gsuberland @mcc the majority of my grievances with wayland have had bugs open for years and people pleading for them to be fixed
@gsuberland @mcc and "actually the Philosophers created a protocol for this (which nothing implements), therefore this is not a problem" is a very common reply by wayland apologists when people complain about wayland problems
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@gsuberland @mcc and "actually the Philosophers created a protocol for this (which nothing implements), therefore this is not a problem" is a very common reply by wayland apologists when people complain about wayland problems
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@gsuberland @mcc maybe there's apathy but it's not for a lack of awareness on the part of the maintainers
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@gsuberland if you don't have an opinion don't express one
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@not2b @mcc They weren't really fixable, either, like at a protocol level, and all of the extensions and workarounds that modern X software was using ended up fully degrading the X11 experience to the extent that there wasn't even any advantage to trying to work with it anymore.
But there were also 10 major versions of X that came before X11, and X itself was a successor to W, so one would hope that X would have learned its lessons by then, too.
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@gsuberland @mcc they get reported, they just get fixed at a glacial pace, if they gets fixed at all.
It's funny because it's true.
By which I mean: there are not, actually, any magical infinite funds to support desktop Linux, because that has no commercial value whatsoever, but it's 100% free to shit on people who are volunteering their time to try to make things better as best they can. You can earn valuable Mastodon Snark Points for it, which you can cash in for fuck all in actually making things better.
Or you could, you know, not so that.
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