So the good thing about Linux distros switching to Wayland long before Wayland is remotely ready is that contact with real-world users will make the "pain points" visible so they can be fixed.
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@mcc I am a strong believer that this happens because peak Linux culture is where you gaslight yourself into believing it's all holy and perfect and then never report all the broken shit
@gsuberland @mcc they get reported, they just get fixed at a glacial pace, if they gets fixed at all.
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@gsuberland @mcc they get reported, they just get fixed at a glacial pace, if they gets fixed at all.
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@gsuberland @mcc the majority of my grievances with wayland have had bugs open for years and people pleading for them to be fixed
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@gsuberland @mcc the majority of my grievances with wayland have had bugs open for years and people pleading for them to be fixed
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@gsuberland @mcc the majority of my grievances with wayland have had bugs open for years and people pleading for them to be fixed
@gsuberland @mcc and "actually the Philosophers created a protocol for this (which nothing implements), therefore this is not a problem" is a very common reply by wayland apologists when people complain about wayland problems
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@gsuberland @mcc and "actually the Philosophers created a protocol for this (which nothing implements), therefore this is not a problem" is a very common reply by wayland apologists when people complain about wayland problems
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@gsuberland @mcc maybe there's apathy but it's not for a lack of awareness on the part of the maintainers
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@gsuberland if you don't have an opinion don't express one
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@gsuberland @mcc they get reported, they just get fixed at a glacial pace, if they gets fixed at all.
It's funny because it's true.
By which I mean: there are not, actually, any magical infinite funds to support desktop Linux, because that has no commercial value whatsoever, but it's 100% free to shit on people who are volunteering their time to try to make things better as best they can. You can earn valuable Mastodon Snark Points for it, which you can cash in for fuck all in actually making things better.
Or you could, you know, not so that.
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It's funny because it's true.
By which I mean: there are not, actually, any magical infinite funds to support desktop Linux, because that has no commercial value whatsoever, but it's 100% free to shit on people who are volunteering their time to try to make things better as best they can. You can earn valuable Mastodon Snark Points for it, which you can cash in for fuck all in actually making things better.
Or you could, you know, not so that.
@mattdm @gsuberland @mcc buddy we are talking about problems we're actively experiencing that we can't make any headway on and you are the one who is kicking people while they're down
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@pupxel ok actually it's pretty funny that he's corncobbing himself, because he's been following me for years and still follows me and like man he must be a masochist
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@pupxel i might download a liveusb for it and see if everything Just Works later this weekend. I've got the "former project lead" of fedora in my mentions in another thread saying mcc and I wrong to complain about wayland, so between that and literally every desktop environment in fedora being broken in some way i'm feeling like maybe I need to put fedora on cooldown
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Like - I get the "we're just testing basic skills" to spot people who are essentially lying. Fine, so make the test literally trivial. Read some numbers, find their mean, done.
Or there's the "we want something to start a conversation". OK, so don't have an actual answer (or at least not one that is sane). Ask them to make a program that plays checkers, write it in an hour, and be clear that there isn't going to be a "right answer" in just an hour.
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@freezr oh this looks very interesting, thanks
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@evan it's totally engine x. Anything else is like listening to someone say "ess cue ell" or "dee dee oh ess"
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Walked past my little museum shelf of weird multimedia systems
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@mattdm @gsuberland @mcc buddy we are talking about problems we're actively experiencing that we can't make any headway on and you are the one who is kicking people while they're down
